Middle East thread continued

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Originally posted by notyoueither
Plato lashed out emotionally at emotional images.

You took the bait

That I can agree with. Howveer, I haven't been used to Plato writing things like that, and I remain worried about it.

and went full steam ahead with the propaganda. You've fallen into the reactionary camp of criticizing Israel for doing what the government of Isreal deemed necessary in the face of provokation that would lead any nation on Earth to war with a neighbour.

Huh?
I was talking about Plato's "teaching a lesson" ramblings. NOT about Israel's actual strategy. The only moment I spoke about Israel in my reply (though, upon re-reading it, it isn't clear enough), was to say that his support for Israel creates strong emotions, and that these emotions lead him to say such tripe.

I don't think his post mirrors Israel's strategy, fortunately. Because the logic he presented (which is not the focus of Israel in this war IMO) is ucking murderous. Any force that follows such logics and acts on it would deserve to be called terorirstic.

And your support of Lebanon has led you the other way.

Stop the presses!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I must say though that the UN force in the area seems to have done a wonderful job peacekeeping.

The U.N. force in the area has neither the men nor the mandate to do anything useful.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Kind of strange the GoL is setting conditions for disarming Hezbollah that the UN has said won't happen (the Farms are recognised by the UN as part of the Golan, ie Syrian territory).

Uh, no. The GoL does have the physical ability to disarm Hezbollah. Hezbollah's continued miltary presence has to do with Lebanon's claim on the Shebaa farms. Israel claims they are part of occupied Syria. Syria was verbally stated that they are part of Lebanon, but as Syria doesn't recognize Lebanon's right to exist*, it really doesn't recognize Lebanon as owning the farms.

* Syria claims Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel, saying, rightfully, that the other territories were split off by foreign powers, and Syria never agreed.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Tell me, Spiff, who is responsible for dead children when you park a rocket battery in a tightly packed residential area?

Yeah, cuz that's what Hezbollah's doing, cuz those rockets can reach all the way from Beruit and Tyre to Israel. I guess that buffer zone Israel's going to create isn't really worth much. Poor Lebanese, being slaughtered for nothing.

[chequita guevara]

Ever see a baby with an exploded head, NYE?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


The U.N. force in the area has neither the men nor the mandate to do anything useful.

They also seem to be in bed with Hezbolah.

[Edan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Hezbollah's continued miltary presence has to do with Israel's existance and the thousands of weapons and the hundreds of millions Iran is giving it.

Israel and the UN claim they are part of occupied Syria.

Fixed those for you.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by notyoueither
Kind of strange the GoL is setting conditions for disarming Hezbollah that the UN has said won't happen (the Farms are recognised by the UN as part of the Golan, ie Syrian territory).

Uh, no. The GoL does have the physical ability to disarm Hezbollah. Hezbollah's continued miltary presence has to do with Lebanon's claim on the Shebaa farms. Israel claims they are part of occupied Syria. Syria was verbally stated that they are part of Lebanon, but as Syria doesn't recognize Lebanon's right to exist*, it really doesn't recognize Lebanon as owning the farms.

* Syria claims Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel, saying, rightfully, that the other territories were split off by foreign powers, and Syria never agreed.

Thanks for making the case for me.

Now, how do you explain countless Lebanese maps, including those of the military, as showing the Farms in Syria?

How do you dismiss the UN saying the area is Syrian?

How do you explain the GoL picking up on this lunacy to keep the war going?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Ever see a baby with an exploded head, NYE?

Ever seen a war, Che?

They're nasty. Maybe you should find out who is keeping the shooting going.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yeah, cuz that's what Hezbollah's doing, cuz those rockets can reach all the way from Beruit and Tyre to Israel. I guess that buffer zone Israel's going to create isn't really worth much. Poor Lebanese, being slaughtered for nothing.

Hezbollah's HQ isn't in Beruit?

Hezbollah hasn't built bunkers under populated areas?

Give it up, Che. The innocent schtick isn't sticking.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Give it up, Che. The innocent schtick isn't sticking.

I just thought I'd quote this post with my sig.

[Edan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I guess that buffer zone Israel's going to create isn't really worth much.

If Israel makes a buffer zone - and I don't think it is - I don't see why it would be worthless. The vast majority of Hezbollah's rocket's are short range, IIUC. And the further back Hezbollah would need to fire from, the less area of Israel it would be able to target.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Thanks for making the case for me.

Now, how do you explain countless Lebanese maps, including those of the military, as showing the Farms in Syria?

How do you dismiss the UN saying the area is Syrian?

How do you explain the GoL picking up on this lunacy to keep the war going?

Lebanon has been claiming the Shebaa Farms since 2000 when Isreal pulled out of Lebanon in opposition to the UN's view at the time, not "just to keep the war going" now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_farms

On 16 May 2000 the Syrian Foreign Minister, Farouq al-Shara, confirmed to Annan that the Syrian Arab Republic supported Lebanon's claim.[1]

UN Secretary-General's report on Lebanon explicitly stated: "The continually asserted position of the Government of Lebanon that the Blue Line is not valid in the Shab'a farms area is not compatible with Security Council resolutions.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Edan
If Israel makes a buffer zone - and I don't think it is - I don't see why it would be worthless. The vast majority of Hezbollah's rocket's are short range, IIUC. And the further back Hezbollah would need to fire from, the less area of Israel it would be able to target.

Did you forget that Isreal already tried the buffer zone thing?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Lebanon has been claiming the Shebaa Farms since 2000 when Isreal pulled out of Lebanon in opposition to the UN's view at the time, not "just to keep the war going" now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_farms

Read on, Imran.

"On 15 May 2000, the United Nations received a map, dated 1966, from the Government of Lebanon which reflected the Government's position that these farmlands were located in Lebanon. However, the United Nations is in possession of 10 other maps issued after 1966 by various Lebanese government institutions, including the Ministry of Defense and the army, all of which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic. The United Nations has also examined six maps issued by the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic, including three maps since 1966, which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic."[1]

Since 2000 you say? Those damned Israelis!