Israel invades Lebanon after new capturing of soldiers

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Really? You must have different news than the rest of us because I heard Hezbollah were the ones that entered into Isreal. AFAIK, Hezbollah is not the Lebanese government.

Goverment actors are the goverment, whether the goverment acknowledges them or not.

CIA operatives do not cease to be part of the U.S. goverment just because we deny them.
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Originally posted by notyoueither


Interesting choice of words.

They are of course the nazis, not the one throwing around racist epitaphs.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Goverment actors are the goverment, whether the goverment acknowledges them or not.

CIA operatives do not cease to be part of the U.S. goverment just because we deny them.

What BULL****!

Hezbollah is no way, shape, or form a government actor of Lebanon. If anything they are the government actors of Syria. They share absolutely no similarities to the CIA, which is a US government agency. Hezbollah is a rebel force funded by Syria and Iran which has found itself at odds with the government in Beirut.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
No, at best it perpetuates the crisis at a low level.

So you are are new BAM?

Proportional response doesn't end a crisis, it perpetuates it.

Beyond the fact that a continual low level crisis is better than a perpetual low level crisi punctuated by bloody times of crisis, you basic statement is wrong. Proportionate response allows parties to safe face, and therefore makes talks more plausible.

That pretty much describes you, yes.

Oooh, the child makes an attempt at wit. How daring. And sad.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
You know what proportional response is, GePap? Pretty much tribal warfare. They rape one of our women, we ensalve a few of theirs. They kill my brother, I kill several of them.

Actually, NO, its not. But then of course your bringing up the idiotic "pearl harbor" scenerio shows that.

So, lets go back to Pearl Harbor: the Japanse attack was part of a new all out military campaign to remove US and Western powers from Asia. Therefore the US and UK reponse, all out war, WAS PROPORTIONATE. If one state declares all out war against another, then all out war is what there will be.

Hizbullah launched a raid against Israel (which Hizbullah has for months been saying was a possibility) in roder to force Israel to bargain with repsect to prisoners. A proprtionate response would be for Israel to launch raids into southern Lebanon, attack Hizbullah positions, and then, quietly both sides would come up with some sort of deal. The crisis ends, both sides saved face.

With this response, Israel might well bring down the new Lebanse government, start a regional war, or a new Lebanese civil war, all without actually being able to destroy Hizbullah, which has the support of the over one million Shia in Lebanon, and all that supposedly to free two soldiers?

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by GePap


So you are are new BAM?

You know what they say, if you are are an are are, you can't are an are to are are are are.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


What BULL****!

Hezbollah is no way, shape, or form a government actor of Lebanon. If anything they are the government actors of Syria. They share absolutely no similarities to the CIA, which is a US government agency. Hezbollah is a rebel force funded by Syria and Iran which has found itself at odds with the government in Beirut.

They are not in the Lebanese Parliament, and they do not occupy a good part of the country?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Oopsie, I'm tired

I bet you that at some time, I'll mistakenly write "Hamas" when referring to the terrorists the American public love

The US public has never had widespread sympathy to any terrorist organization that I can remember. The IRA is usually cited as a terrorist organization that had huge support within the US but I remember nothing but universal disgust by everybody after every terrorist act that the IRA ever pursued.

Sure, the IRA was able to draw financial support from *******s in the US, but even Hamas and Hezbollah have been able to draw private financial support from *******s in the US.

As far as I can tell, the only way a terrorist organization could enjoy widespread support here would be by somehow concealing it's terrorist activities.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by notyoueither
They are not in the Lebanese Parliament, and they do not occupy a good part of the country?

And how much power do they wield in said parliament? It's like saying Le Pen speaks for the French government. And obviously, they occupy a good part of the country, as do Islamists in Iraq (and they also have their own party with parliamentary seats, the Iraqi Accord Front), but no one is going to look at an Islamist attack from Iraq as the Iraqi government attacking. Though the fact that occupy southern Lebanon is a good reaon to go after Hezbollah in southern Lebanon and not blow up the freaking international airport!

Though, interestingly enough, Hezbollah appears to be joining with Aoun in the next elections in a Shiite-Christian alliance.

It's like the Christian Coalition going and kidnapping a Mexican soldier and Mexico blaming the US government for it because some members of the government are Christian Coalition members!

Or a better example (after reading Geronomo's post) is blaming Ireland or Northern Ireland for the IRA's actions, because Sinn Fein holds seats in Ireland's Parliament and far more in Northern Ireland's parliament. Just because they are there, doesn't mean the Irish or Northern Irish government supports the terrorist attacks of the IRA.


Rarely do I agree with the Bush administration, but this is one of them:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/13/labott/index.html

The Bush administration is concerned that Israeli military operations in Lebanon could play into Hezbollah's hands by weakening the pro-U.S. Lebanese government and helping pro-Syrian forces, senior U.S. officials said Thursday.

And it seems that has exactly been Hezbollah's goal from the beginning. It is just sad that Isreal has to play into its hands and help out Syria in an attempt to get back into Lebanon.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Geronimo
The US public has never had widespread sympathy to any terrorist organization that I can remember. The IRA is usually cited as a terrorist organization that had huge support within the US but I remember nothing but universal disgust by everybody after every terrorist act that the IRA ever pursued.

Sure, the IRA was able to draw financial support from *******s in the US, but even Hamas and Hezbollah have been able to draw private financial support from *******s in the US.

As far as I can tell, the only way a terrorist organization could enjoy widespread support here would be by somehow concealing it's terrorist activities.

One difference is that the IRA drew open financial support from Americans, especially in New England. I knew a number of Irishmen growing up who were very strong supporters of the IRA and their families sent money over. I'm sure they knew of its terrorist ties... and everyone knew the money was being sent over. No one really did anything to stop it though.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Agathon


If that's your opinion, I hope you die in it.

Just think how much more peaceful the middle east would be if everybody took aggy's approach to others expressing opinions they don't like.

[Sprayber]

Heard Iran say if Israel bombs Syria than it's all out war. Bet that makes the Lebanese and Palestinians feel loved that they don't warrent that strong of a statement.

In Tehran, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned Israel not to attack Syria, saying such action would be considered an assault on the whole Islamic world that would bring a "fierce response," state television reported.

They went on to say that Israel could do whatever the hell they wanted to with the Lebanese and Palestinians.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


And how much power do they wield in said parliament? It's like saying Le Pen speaks for the French government. And obviously, they occupy a good part of the country, as do Islamists in Iraq (and they also have their own party with parliamentary seats, the Iraqi Accord Front), but no one is going to look at an Islamist attack from Iraq as the Iraqi government attacking. Though the fact that occupy southern Lebanon is a good reaon to go after Hezbollah in southern Lebanon and not blow up the freaking international airport!

Once again, the 'freaking international airport!' is under Hezbollah's control.

Le Pen is not occupying a large part of France and launching raids into Germany to capture German soldiers... and if he were, the Germans would have some grounds to reply.

This is what you are consistently ignoring.

Hezbollah is the government in Southern Lebanon all the way up to Beruit, and are part of the legitimate parliament in said city.

[Barnabas]

Iran cant harm israel, it is a blef, bluf, I dont know how to spell that word

[notyoueither]

Here's a scenario.

Militant Amerindians are sneaking across the border in the Quebec-New York region. They nab a couple of American soldiers and drag them across the border to Canada in an effort to make demands on the US government.

The Canadian government pleads innocense, and claims to be powerless to affect the situation.

How long do you think it is before the USMC is turned lose to take a large part of Canada apart?

[MRT144]

maybe its just a fundamental difference in thinking that invading a country will solve the problems.