Israel invades Lebanon after new capturing of soldiers

[Az]

Yeah, see, intensive combat should be one of those things that only happen if a organised military force was attacking you.

umm, how so? they have positions, and artillery pieces. they fire them on the entire front. We fire back at the said positions and artillery. That's the definition of intensive combat. It's not like we chose all of that. That's how it all happened. Artillery attack on civilians, as well as an attack on an Israeli patrol.

[atawa]

Originally posted by Az
Artillery attack on civilians

Has the IDF changed from firing missiles from helicopters

[Az]

This comment is too smart for me, I didn't get it...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Iran cant harm israel, it is a blef, bluf, I dont know how to spell that word

Bluff. Close enough for a non-native.

[Arrian]

What a ****ing mess.

-Arrian

[Ming]

Originally posted by Arrian
What a ****ing mess.

-Arrian

Yeah... both the situation in the Middle East, and this thread...

Remember people, it's ok to discuss the topic... it's ok to be on different sides of this argument. But discuss it in a civil manner and enough of the wishing people dead, or hate posting crap. Yeah, it's an emotional topic, but be civil or be restricted!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Once again, the 'freaking international airport!' is under Hezbollah's control.

Le Pen is not occupying a large part of France and launching raids into Germany to capture German soldiers... and if he were, the Germans would have some grounds to reply.

This is what you are consistently ignoring.

Hezbollah is the government in Southern Lebanon all the way up to Beruit, and are part of the legitimate parliament in said city.

No, it isn't "under Hezbollah's control". Being in a suburb that is pro Hezbollah is far different than Hezbollah being in control of the airport. I'm doubting that when people fly into Beirut, Hezbollah does security on them.

And if Le Pen were launching raides, the Germans would be able to reply, but not to bomb Charles de Gaulle airport and blame the French government!

The one thing you are consistently ignoring is that Isreal isn't just taking this out on Hezbollah areas. They are attacking Lebanese government (which is, btw, pro-US and anti-Syria) controled areas and ports. The other thing you are completely ignoring is that no one has said that Isreal shouldn't attack Hezbollah, it's the other parts of Lebanon, which had nothing to do with it, which is the problem.

[Az]

If we were attacking the Lebanese government, we would attack the lebanese government. So far, you see only airstrips attacked, trying to prevent the soldiers being flown from Lebanon and Syria to Iran...

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Sikander


So the world is apparently doomed to become Muslim through and through. No land ever occupied by Muslims can ever be anything else if we adopt your policy of avoiding the possibility of "creating" terrorists, and eventually Muslims will occupy ever bit of land on the planet because they will never have to defend anything they take due to the possibility that it might create terrorists. We may as well turn over Spain and the Balkans straight away, it's only a matter of time before we awake the long dormant sleeping terrorist giant in these areas as well. I guess the only alternative is for the rest of the world to wipe every Muslim from the face of the planet pre-emptively. Nice.

I don't believe that for a minute. Muslims aren't any more fanatical than the Japanese were in WW2. It wasn't some bizarre worship of order that got the Japanese to calm down at the end of WW2, it was the ruthless and relentless application of overwhelming "disproportionate" force that finally exhausted them and forced a paradigm shift. The sooner the Muslim world experiences a similar thrashing (in terms of moral effect rather than sheer numbers) the better, as it will mean fewer gross casualties in the long run. They need to be shown the limitations of fanatacism and the danger of tacit approval for or benign neglect of it in their own communities.

Wars aren't won by just breaking the opposing army, you've got to break any spirit that could generate a new one aswell.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


No, it isn't "under Hezbollah's control".

John McCain just said on National TV that it was. Of course your sources may be a bit better than his.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Az
If we were attacking the Lebanese government, we would attack the lebanese government. So far, you see only airstrips attacked, trying to prevent the soldiers being flown from Lebanon and Syria to Iran...

The fuel depots were necessary to be blown up, why? The only reason is to trash the airport, destroying the tourism industry (which is a big money maker in Lebanon), killing the economy, and hence the government. At the same time Isreal is blockading ports, prevening fuel to run power plants in Lebanon to come in.

There have also been roads and bridges attacked in Beirut as well. And Isreal has said they blame Lebanon for Hezbollah's actions, even though the US has come in on Lebanon's side in the argument.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by PLATO
John McCain just said on National TV that it was. Of course your sources may be a bit better than his.

Because American sources don't streach the truth.. or outright lie *cough WMD in Iraq*.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
US has come in on Lebanon's side in the argument.

Really? Whe n did that change? Bush has pledged to pressure the Israelis to limit civillian casualties. That's being on Lebanon's side? Hmmmm.....

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




Because American sources don't streach the truth.. or outright lie *cough WMD in Iraq*.

So you have direct feeds to overseas sources that you are using? Can you quote some to give us the "true" perspective?

[Az]

The fuel depots were necessary to be blown up, why? The only reason is to trash the airport, destroying the tourism industry (which is a big money maker in Lebanon), killing the economy, and hence the government. At the same time Isreal is blockading ports, prevening fuel to run power plants in Lebanon to come in.

For planes not to run, duh. And yes, Lebanon is blocked from the sea, for the same reasons.

There have also been roads and bridges attacked in Beirut as well. And Isreal has said they blame Lebanon for Hezbollah's actions, even though the US has come in on Lebanon's side in the argument.

by far, mostly at the day of the kidnapping. And the fact that Israel said they blamed lebanon doesn't mean that Israel wants the collapse of the government. Again, if we wanted that, we'd do it a whole other way.