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    The local paper in San Diego has published results which show San Diego has slipped from the 7th largest city in America to the 8th largest. The city still grew but San Antonio grew faster largely because the cost of living in Sd is high so fewer people can afford to move here while the anti-sprawl acts mean that there are few new suburban homes being built in the area (though there are crap loads of redevelopment turning older areas into new high rise apartments).

    San Diego has lost its perch as America's seventh-largest city. San Antonio has taken its place.
    By Lori Weisberg
    UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

    June 21, 2006

    As if federal investigations, the City Hall Strippergate scandal and financial chaos weren't bad enough, San Diego now has lost its perch as America's seventh most populous city.

    Dislodging “America's Finest City” from its five-year ranking is San Antonio, home to the Alamo, the Census Bureau reported in new population estimates released today.

    It was only a matter of time before San Diego would fall to No. 8, having lost its standing as a population magnet years ago. In 2004 and 2005, the city actually lost population – 8,276 people, to be exact – for the first time this decade. San Antonio, by contrast, grew at a nearly 2 percent clip.

    As of last July, San Diego's population was 1,255,240, a mere 969 people behind San Antonio.

    San Diego, though, still has its boasts, like the Pacific Ocean, a world-famous zoo, year-round balmy weather and major-league baseball and football teams – at least for now. San Antonio is among several cities courting the Chargers, should the football team pull up stakes from San Diego.

    With a potential move in the offing, could it be that the Chargers will find themselves still playing in the nation's seventh-largest city after all?

    “I think they'll be playing for the eighth-largest city when all is said and done,” said Mayor Jerry Sanders, who has urged the City Council to allow the Chargers to look elsewhere in the county for a stadium deal.

    And there's that little matter of housing prices, which in San Diego have only recently started to flatten after years of double-digit increases.

    The median price of an existing single-family home in San Diego is $607,000, more than four times San Antonio's median price of $133,400, according to the National Association of Realtors.

    San Diego had been the nation's sixth most populous city five years ago, when it was eclipsed by Phoenix. (Last year, Phoenix had the largest numeric gain in population among all cities, followed closely by San Antonio.)

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    Sanders yesterday sought to steer talk of population rankings to what he says is most important: quality of life.

    San Antonio and Phoenix aren't exactly overflowing with beaches and bays, the mayor pointed out.

    “Obviously, we've got some high housing prices and we've slowed our growth, which has given us a chance to grapple with housing,” he said. “But San Diego is still the best place to live.”

    City Councilwoman Toni Atkins, who confesses to having a fondness for San Antonio, said she was disappointed to learn that San Diego was no longer No. 7.

    “I like being the seventh-largest city and, moving to eighth, you feel like you've lost a little stature,” Atkins said.

    But then again, San Diego still has the best weather and, she whispered, “San Antonio is still Texas.”

    In San Antonio, the mayor's office went to great lengths to show some diplomacy in the wake of its new designation.

    “It's certainly nice to be moving up on the list, but growth isn't everything,” said J.J. Saulino, spokesman for San Antonio Mayor Phil Hardberger. “They're both great cities, both great places to raise a family, both cities have a military connection and both have great weather.”

    Wait a minute. Great weather? San Antonio?

    Forecasts called for a high of 91 degrees today with scattered thunderstorms. San Diego is expected to reach a high of 72 under sunny skies.

    “Well, we sometimes get up to a 100, but it's a dry heat,” Saulino clarified.

    Contributing to the river city's Texas two-step over San Diego was that between 1999 and 2004, nearly 900 more people left San Diego County for Bexar County, home to San Antonio, than came here, according to Internal Revenue Service data.

    Making matters worse, the IRS data show that Bexar County netted $11 million more in annual gross income from San Diego County migrants than San Diego collected from the new Texas arrivals.

    San Diego's loss of population was not unique in the county, where 14 of the 18 cities experienced similar declines. But cities like Chula Vista, San Marcos and Carlsbad continue to show strong growth, according to the Census Bureau estimates.

    Over the past five years, San Marcos grew by 32 percent while San Diego saw a 2 percent gain. And among U.S. cities with populations over 100,000, Chula Vista was the 21st fastest-growing, posting a five-year population gain of 20 percent.

    Despite the significant slowdown in growth among many of California's coastal cities, several smaller inland areas are continuing to expand at a robust pace, pointed out demographer William Frey of the Washington, D.C.-based Brookings Institution.

    That's certainly true in Riverside County, where San Diegans have headed in droves in search of affordably priced homes. Murrieta's population soared 60 percent over the past five years, while Temecula grew at a rate of 33 percent, according to the Census Bureau.

    Ultimately, it comes down to housing costs, Frey said.

    “What they (Texas cities) have that coastal California doesn't are economic growth and relatively affordable housing,” he noted. “Texas, in a way, is a comfort zone for people who want to live in the Sunbelt and not deal with punitive housing costs, and I think that's why these cities are showing up this last year near the top.”

    Union-Tribune research analyst Danielle Cervantes and staff writer David Washburn contributed to this report.
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    The main issue seems to be one of cost. People love it here so the price gets bid up and people can't afford to live here.
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    • #3
      San Antonio is growing because it's a nice place to live, and the cost is really low.

      How much for a one bedroom apt. there?

      It's $550 here.

      ACK!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Oerdin
        The main issue seems to be one of cost. People love it here so the price gets bid up and people can't afford to live here.
        I think the main issue seems to be more that the article is overly long. People love these posts, but if the word count gets up to high they just can't afford to read it.

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        • #5
          Gauge how well a city is doing by jobs or real estate values. People either move there for work or to live.

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          • #6
            I heard Austin was the only nonSuck city in Texas

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            • #7
              California, in general, costs too much. I'm glad to be out of there.

              As for the slowing of growth? It's good, there's too many people in Cali as it is.
              Monkey!!!

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              • #8
                The population within the core city limits of a major urban area is interesting, but not nearly as indicative as the population of the entire metropolitan area.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Japher
                  California, in general, costs too much. I'm glad to be out of there.

                  As for the slowing of growth? It's good, there's too many people in Cali as it is.
                  You just have to figure out how to earn more
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                  • #10
                    couldn't be arsed
                    Monkey!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jon Miller
                      I heard Austin was the only nonSuck city in Texas

                      JM
                      You heard wrong JM Depending on your age and willingness to deal with traffic san antonio is one of the best places to live in texas. Austin has become way to overcrowded just as houston has and the traffic is a bear lasting during peak hours for sometimes 3 hours. san antonio is a great place to raise a family and enjoy some type of night life with out really dealing with college kids that drink to much. Everyone that i have met even here in oregon that has been to san antonio has said it is a beautiful city.
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                      • #12
                        Doesn't change the fact that San Diego is still German for "A Whale's Vagina". You can relish that.
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                        • #13
                          San Antonio was way better then Austin from what I could see. Great weather, and they have much more highway infrastructure then Austin, so they have the ability to sustain larger numbers of vehicles.

                          The city itself is very pretty and it's well designed, Austin is clustered in one direction, NS while SA is balanced.
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                          • #14
                            San Antonio
                            Monkey!!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tuberski
                              San Antonio is growing because it's a nice place to live, and the cost is really low.

                              How much for a one bedroom apt. there?

                              It's $550 here.

                              ACK!
                              A one bed flat in London costs that in a very cheap area. In pounds
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