World Football Thread XXX - Germany 2006

[Tuberski]

Crap, you mean I'm gonna slowdown even more?!?!?

My Poly B/D is off, I think. It shows Dec 31 1969. I'm was born in 68.

ACK!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
what? you and your 4 - 5 - 1

With Rooney in the lineup that is what it ends up as because Rooney plays more of a withdrawn forward/attacking MF role than one of a striker.

[Imran Siddiqui]

De Rossi has been suspended for 4 games:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=372240&cc=5901

It would have been 5, but he wrote a letter of apology and whatnot. Italy will not appeal.

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Oh, and it's amusing to see Locutus trying to downplay the English talent.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

auuuuux arrrrrrmess!!!
nouse sommes les suisses!
et nous allons gagner
allez la suisse allez la suisse allez la suisse




tous ensemble tous ensemble!



sur nos monts, quand le soleil
announce un brilliant reveil
et prédit d'un beau jour le retour,
les beautés de la patrie
parlent à l'âme attendrie
au ciel montant plus joyeux
les accents d'un coeur pieux
les accents émus d'un coeur pieux

[duke o' york]

So Lawrence - what does it say on her hat?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by duke o' york
So Lawrence - what does it say on her hat?

She had a hat . .. . .




oh right-- there it is

[siron]

Originally posted by Flubber
** In the event that SK-Swiss is a draw AND France wins by exactly one AND they outcore Korea by exactly 2 ( ie 2-1 and 0-0 ) I don't know what happens. Does it really go to drawing lots? I have always hated that whole idea and in circumstances whhere the teams are all in the same city/area I always wondered why they couldn't schedule some actual contest between the two teams. In my view even a penalty kick contest would be better than a coin flip

Hmmm. Seems even the german and english regulations differ......:

The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as
follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World
Cup™.


Der Rang jedes Teams jeder Gruppe wird wie folgt ermittelt:
a) Anzahl Punkte aus allen Gruppenspielen;
b) Tordifferenz aus allen Gruppenspielen;
c) Anzahl der in allen Gruppenspielen erzielten Tore.
Wenn zwei oder mehr Teams aufgrund der erwähnten drei Kriterien
gleich abschneiden, wird ihre Platzierung gemäss folgenden Kriterien
ermittelt:
d) Anzahl Punkte aus den Direktbegegnungen der punktgleichen
Mannschaften in den Gruppenspielen;
e) Tordifferenz aus den Direktbegegnungen der punktgleichen Mannschaften
in den Gruppenspielen;
f) Anzahl der in den Direktbegegnungen der punktgleichen Mannschaften
in allen Gruppenspielen erzielten Tore;
g) Losentscheid durch die Organisationskommission für die FIFA Fussball-
Weltmeisterschaft™.

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Literally, the calculations (d-f) in the German translation would include SUI imho.

[Thorgal]

Originally posted by SpencerH
The best part of the Spain - Saudi game is that the american commentators are sitting beside the spanish ones. You can hear the spaniards constantly yelling and the americans think it's very funny (and it is).

Yeah. It is becuase this year the WC is broadcasted in a new channel and all the commentators are hired from the radio channels and they also try to give emotion to all the matches (even when Spain does not play) to gain share. It is irritating. They have even hired Maradona to comment matches (he is lamentable as commentator).

Normally TV comentators from older channles and above all the ones from the public channels are very dispassionate, even a bit "robotical".

[Flubber]

Originally posted by siron

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Literally, the calculations (d-f) in the German translation would include SUI imho.

I don't read German but the Swiss would go through under Clause b.


The question then becomes one of whetehr the Swiss are a "team concerned" -- I would argue NO since a team assigned its ranking under clause b is no different than one assigned its ranking under clause a. In eitehr case they are no longer concerned with the result of the later tie-break methods.

Since the game between the teams concerned was a draw, it looks like drawing lots is a possibility (slim but not outlandish)

[siron]

Originally posted by Flubber


I don't read German but the Swiss would go through under Clause b.

Sure. Thats pretty clear.

I think the english meaning of "concerned teams" is also pretty clear. Only the result France-South Corea matters there.

The german translation seems a bit fuzzy.

I would interpret it...(when i havent read the english and french regualtions) that way:

If 2 teams have identical results with respect to a-c (for example France and South Corea) also their result against SUI is taken into account (because all have 5 points) when d-f are calculated.

So g) is only applied when there would be a 0-0 and 2-1 result....but not when there is a 1-1 and 3-2.

[Datajack Franit]

France LOL

[Locutus]

Originally posted by siron
Literally, the calculations (d-f) in the German translation would include SUI imho.

You're right, but the English text is authoritive, so the Swiss go through on clause B of the English text (this is why I think it's stupid to localise legal texts anyway, it's not like everyone who needs it doesn't speak English. Damn politics...)

And yes, if Korea and France rank exactly equally, who goes through is determined by drawing lots, it's happened before. It's not a great solution, but what alternative is there? There's no room in the schedule for a replay (and a cold penalty shootout is a lottery too, assuming you could find a stadium and time in the schedule). For something that only happens maybe once every 40 years, I don't think a lot of time needs to be wasted on complicated solutions. The side that wins the lot drawing is just damn lucky and the side that loses it has had a full match to score just one more goal, their own fault if they fail...

[The diplomat]

2-0 Vive la France!

[Flubber]

Originally posted by The diplomat
2-0 Vive la France!

Now France is looking reasonably good . They need two adverse scores ( either 2 in their game OR one in their game and a Korea score) to eliminate them

[Flubber]

Swiiiiiissssss !!!