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5 teams a group, 4 games in group play, 2 advance. 
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But how many go through? They'd still end up resting players in the final game no matter how many teams there were. Also, the tournament would last for ages.Comment
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Yeah, it is a good length right now. Anymore and it'd be just tooo long.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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2 advance out of 5. It would mean almost all teams have to play the 4th game to win (for position, if nothing else).Originally posted by duke o' york
But how many go through? They'd still end up resting players in the final game no matter how many teams there were. Also, the tournament would last for ages.
With only 3 matches in group play, a draw seems at least slightly overvalued.
With 4 matches, the best teams would be more likely to make it through group play. Teams with deep benches would be rewarded.
Expanding to 40 teams would mirror the growth in the number of competing countries -- now about 200.
There are good business reasons for this as well.
The event would be ~ 5 days longer.Last edited by DanS; June 18, 2006, 14:53.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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you should google for "gijon germany austria" and then you should reconsider your proposal.Originally posted by DanS
5 teams a group, 4 games in group play, 2 advance.
5 teams in a group will never happen."Football is like chess, only without the dice." Lukas PodolskiComment
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Gonna have to throw me a bone here.
I readily admit that this would have some negative aspects.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Most boring game ever. Since 1-0 victory of germany helped both teams to qualify. That goal was in the 9th minute iirc.
Because of this game they introduced the rule that all teams have to play their last group game contemporarily."Football is like chess, only without the dice." Lukas PodolskiComment
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Damn. Normally I'm happy to support the French, but not today.
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Not necessarily. Remember Czech Republic vs Germany at Euro2004? Those Czech reserves made bratwurst of Germany's first team. Reserves have something to play for: a place in the first 11 for the next game.Originally posted by germanos
What's with the stupid rule that yellow cards are discarded after the first round
England and the Netherlands are going to leave all their booked players on the bench next match, and I'm sure a lot of other countries will follow.
Hurray for boring last matches
It's games like Costa vs Poland that will likely be a bore, but I wouldn't be too quick to pass judgement on Argentina vs Netherlands and England vs Ecuador.
And there will be two games played simultaneously, so that doubles your chances of seeing an interesting match (in the Netherlands RTL7 will air the matches the NOS isn't showing).Comment
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Groups of five have the same problems of groups of four but worse. The tourny takes even longer than it already does with even more matches having to be played (so more player fatigue, injuries and suspensions) and some teams may already be placed after just 2 matches if their opponents screw up, meaning you can get 2 rounds of matches with B teams. That system was introduced in the UEFA Cup last year and we've seen it happen a few times.
It also means not all teams get to play every round, which breaks players' match rhythm and sucks for the spectators who to have to miss their favourite team during one of the rounds (although the latter will be less of a problem in a WC as matches are played only a few days apart anyway).Comment
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Group B saw one of the great World Cup upsets on the first day with the 2-1 victory of Algeria over reigning European Champion West Germany. This memorable game resulted in the controversial match between West Germany and Austria on the third and final day. As Algeria had already played its third match the day before, West Germany and Austria knew that a West Germany win by 1 or 2 goals would qualify them both, while a larger German victory would qualify Algeria over Austria, and an Austrian win would eliminate the Germans. (The fourth team in the group, Chile, was eliminated regardless of the outcome.) After West Germany scored after 11 minutes of furious attack, the two German-speaking teams went into an unspoken agreement and just kicked the ball around aimlessly for the rest of the game to the chants of "Fuera, fuera" ("Out, out") from the disgusted Spanish crowd, while angry Algerian supporters waved banknotes at the players. This sham performance was widely deplored, even by the German and Austrian fans who had hoped for a hot rematch of the 1978 World Cup match in Cordoba, Argentina in which Austria had beaten West Germany, and led to the introduction of a revised system at the 1986 World Cup and future World Cups, in which the final two games in each group were played simultaneously."Football is like chess, only without the dice." Lukas PodolskiComment
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There's just a maximum of 7 matches to be played for a team, including the final. I don't see why the yellow cards should be discarded. There can be plenty reason to play with a B-team, there's no need to throw in another one.Originally posted by Locutus
Not necessarily. Remember Czech Republic vs Germany at Euro2004? Those Czech reserves made bratwurst of Germany's first team. Reserves have something to play for: a place in the first 11 for the next game.
If the FIFA would have balls, they should discard wrongfull yellows, not a general amnesty."post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
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Good job Korea They deserved to win that one...
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That system was introduced in the UEFA Cup last year and we've seen it happen a few times.
I thought it has always been the way it is now (dicarding the yellow cards that is).Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - EpicurusComment
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That comment (that entire post actually) referred to groups of 5, not yellow cards. As far as that goes, I'm not unhappy about that policy. I doubt abolishing it would help much in making the last group matches better but it would certainly make the quarter finals and beyond worse as more star players would end up with suspensions in the later stages of the tournament.
I do agree bad referee decisions should be corrected afterwards, especially regarding cards.Comment
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