Going for the snip

[elle]

Originally posted by laurentius
I'd like to see some evidence on the 98% subject. Or did you just pull it out of your arse?

Even if he did laurentius, can you think of a better party trick than that? I bit like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, lol.

I will have to remember to invite VJ to my next dinner party.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


DIRTY SKANKER IN THE HOUSE!

I only cut my hair 2 or 3 times a year, too.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

For the record and i know im late, i didnt have internet for a few days... I have not condemed or condone the practice. I specifically said i didnt care if one wants to or not to be circed. I have also stated that if u choos to not be then practice good hygiene, which in my opinion consists of soap and water. It was another poster that stated a simple rinse of the area will do. I also stated that yeast grows in the vagina, there is no such animal as a labia yeast infection. And u will alos have noticed i said that it is more common among women that dousche due to the fact that the dousche kills the normal flora in the vagina.
In short I answered the main question snoopy had, which is why i said anything to begin with He asked does it hurt, I said hell yeah it does.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

I also said that what any person that is not circed says about hearing it from men that werent but are now is just hearsay. which with common logic, anyone can see it is.

[Asher]

i didnt care if one wants to or not to be circed.

Do you agree that we shouldn't be routinely doing this to infants? It's a needless surgery on a perfectly functional body, that may or may not be against the baby's wishes.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
I also said that what any person that is not circed says about hearing it from men that werent but are now is just hearsay. which with common logic, anyone can see it is.

Which is a red herring if I've ever seen one.

Of course testimonials after the fact are legally hearsay. But these are men who had the surgery and can tell us the lack of sensation.

This is also backed up medically if you had any idea what the function of the foreskin is, and how many nerve endings it has.

I have to wonder why you brought it up, it seems like a lame attempt at smoke n' mirrors to me.

[elle]

Originally posted by Asher
Do you agree that we shouldn't be routinely doing this to infants? It's a needless surgery on a perfectly functional body, that may or may not be against the baby's wishes.

Well said, Asher.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

asher personaly i have said i dont have an opinion on wheter it is done on kids or adults, It is fine u see it as needless. some adults that have children dont see it that way and wish to have it performed omn their child for reasons such as the baby might hve to have it done later in life to save them the pain as an adult. I can say for facts that i have seen the procedure is not perfromed in an or on newborns, it is done in the nursery. a neborn seems to be in so much sock from birth ti isnt painful at all to them. they tend to sleep due to the stimulates they havent been used to. If for ur argument, i have also seen people die from tonsilectomies, which can also be considered needless.
As for ur hearsay, i said it is hear say because the person uncirmsized has not felt the loss of sensation themselves and cannot say for sure it happens, u take the word of men that has had it done, they may or may not be telling the truth. You have nerve endings in almost every inch of ur body, disturbing these may or may not result in the loss of feeling to said area

[Mrs. Tuberski]

on the wishes of a newborn child who the hell knows the wishes of an infant that cant comunicate, but by crying..., and by crying he isnt saying dont cut my foreskin.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
and by crying he isnt saying dont cut my foreskin.

I'm pretty sure once you start butchering the most sensitive part of the body, the crying is indicative of pain and thus saying "please stop".

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
a neborn seems to be in so much sock from birth ti isnt painful at all to them.

I could quote many, many studies that show this is absolutely untrue. As a witness to a bris myself, the torturous cries of the baby should be a no-brainer about how much it hurts. It's also why anesthesia, as of a few years ago, is standard procedure.

Many clueless people for decades argued they can't feel it (honestly, that is unfathomably stupid), but now many studies have shown they can feel it. Not only this, it screws with the baby's pain threshold and can leave lasting impacts on the psyche.

If for ur argument, i have also seen people die from tonsilectomies, which can also be considered needless.

Good argument. And as we all know, tonsilectomies are essentially obsolete and only used in some extreme cases. There used to be a time where, like circumcision, it was standard practice. It is no longer so, because it is...needless.

As for ur hearsay, i said it is hear say because the person uncirmsized has not felt the loss of sensation themselves and cannot say for sure it happens

WTF?

If you take a grown man, cut his foreskin off, he can tell you how it feels before (uncut) and after (cut). They will tell you it is less sensitive afterwards and sex is not as enjoyable. You dismiss this as "hearsay", and I respond "WTF?" This is the opinion that matters on it...

u take the word of men that has had it done, they may or may not be telling the truth.

You're right, there is a likely chance that men circumcised in adulthood will try to cope with their loss by saying "it's not so bad..."

You have nerve endings in almost every inch of ur body, disturbing these may or may not result in the loss of feeling to said area

Dr. Tia, you may want to look up the functionality of the nerve endings in the penis, especially the foreskin. Your knowledge is embarrassingly lacking.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

dear asher do not refer to me as dr tia. I was not talking brisk. i was talking circs done 4 hours after birth in a hospital. The said infant is in shock from birth they seem to not feel pain such as this extreme u say, since they are already in shock from the birth alone. Asher for the last time i am going to say this u cannot verify that u loose sensation by the word of other men that may or may not be telling the truth. If u go thru it and u experience it then u may say it. what is so hard to understand about that. i do not need to read up on penis forskon for some reason u think that drs and nurses have nothing else better to do then hack on penise foreskin all day.. I have listened to patients day in and day out for the last 15 years and i just like any other medical professional can tell u they lie. You might not understand this but your body tells the truth to us

[notyoueither]

Very well, then.

I can consider child birth to be a walk in the park since I have not experienced it and all I have to go on is 'hear-say'.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

nye u can consider child birth anyway u want. havine expereinced it 3 times i can say that i wasnt in very much pain. and yes patients vocalizatiion of pain is varied just as the vocalization of loss of sensation it works both ways u know

[Asher]

I have no idea why anyone would bother arguing against this. People who've been circumcised in adulthood have said this, in addition to common sense (millions of nerve endings getting cut off in the sex organ? hello?).

http://www.circumcision.org/adults.htm

I play guitar and my fingers get callused from playing. That’s similar to what happened to my penis after circumcision.( 2)

After the circumcision there was a major change. It was like night and day. I lost most sensation. I would give anything to get the feeling back. I would give my house. [This man’s physician persuaded him to be circumcised by warning he could otherwise get penile cancer. When the man complained of the result, the physician replied, “That’s normal” and would not help him.]( 3)

Slowly the area lost its sensitivity, and as it did, I realized I had lost something rather vital. Stimuli that had previously aroused ecstasy had relatively little effect. . . . Circumcision destroys a very joyful aspect of the human experience for males and females.( 4)

The greatest disadvantage of circumcision is the awful loss of sensitivity when the foreskin is removed. . . . On a scale of 10, the intact penis experiences pleasure that is at least 11 or 12; the circumcised penis is lucky to get to 3.( 5)

The sexual differences between a circumcised and uncircumcised penis is . . . like wearing a condom or wearing a glove. . . . Sight without color would be a good analogy. . . . Only being able to see in black and white, for example, rather than seeing in full color would be like experiencing an orgasm with a foreskin and without. There are feelings you’ll just never have without a foreskin.( 6)

After thirty years in the natural state I allowed myself to be persuaded by a physician to have the foreskin removed—not because of any problems at the time, but because, in the physician’s view, there might be problems in the future. That was five years ago and I am sorry I had it done. . . . The sensitivity in the glans has been reduced by at least 50 percent. There it is, unprotected, constantly rubbing against the fabric of whatever I am wearing. In a sense, it has become callused. . . . I seem to have a relatively unresponsive stick where I once had a sexual organ.( 7)

Not sure why all these men would be lying.