Lahore's only Hindu temple razed

[Arrian]

No, no. Carry on, by all means.

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
If it was held in trust for somebody else then what the hell would they be doing transferring it even if it wasn't a temple?

a trust is supposed to manage property in the interest of its owner. If, lets say, I had fled lower Manhattan, and the govt of the USA was holding in trust for me a motel 6, and someone proposed to tear it down and build a skyscraper, the trust would have an OBLIGATION to tear the motel down, and lease the land out, and put the money back in the trust. OTOH if it was Trinity Church (in lower Manhattan) one could see where there could be different rules.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Very true. All tose technological and cultural advancements made by Muslim Arabs during Europe's dark ages are crap.

You mean those technological and cultural advancements that were mostly adopted from the western classical tradition and China?

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: Lahore's only Hindu temple razed

Originally posted by Spiffor

good for them.

[Lorizael]

I don't think Islam was required, but I think it was there, and it served the purpose.

...uh?

As in, I think any unifying force would have done, and it just so happened that Islam was the one.

You mean those technological and cultural advancements that were mostly adopted from the western classical tradition and China?

Sure, why not. Everything comes from something. But they still did it.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
No, no. Carry on, by all means.

-Arrian

I disagree. Generic arguments about the value of Islamic civilization are hold hat, and I doubt we'll see anything new. Bore me again, spin the emotion and ignorance anew (and thats not to favor either side).

Whereas a discussion of fiduciary responsibilities, the administration of Hindu properties in Pakistan, etc we might actually LEARN something.

[Spiffor]

Re: Re: Re: Lahore's only Hindu temple razed

Originally posted by lord of the mark
good for them.

It was a preemptive reply to the incoming PRAISE ALLAH

[RGBVideo]

As in, I think any unifying force would have done, and it just so happened that Islam was the one.

So you agree that islam wasn't really required for those scientific advancements, and thus your post about the advancements in question was indeed a red herring?

You mean those technological and cultural advancements that were mostly adopted from the western classical tradition and China?

I'm not buying this. Consider arabic numbers and how different their whole concept was from the roman numbers which were then in use among the merchants in Europe.

edit:

Islamic civilization

oxymoron the more islamic the society becomes, the less civilized it turns into. This is because the very nature of islam is hostile to civilization and sustainable societies.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by VJ
So you agree that islam wasn't really required for those scientific advancements, and thus your post about the advancements in question was indeed a red herring?

Uh, no. I think those advancements would not have occurred without some sort of civilization wide unifying force, and I think Islam just so happened to be that force, regardless of the merits or flaws of the religion itself.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by VJ
I'm not buying this. Consider arabic numbers and how different their whole concept was from the roman numbers which were then in use among the merchants in Europe.

They don't call it the "Hindu-Arabic numeral system" for nothing. It had even spread from India to the Near East well before the Islamic conquests.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lahore's only Hindu temple razed

Originally posted by Spiffor

It was a preemptive reply to the incoming PRAISE ALLAH

quibble though - PML is NOT a fundie party IIUC - its the descendant of the original Muslim League which founded Pakistan, and is "Muslim" in the same sense that the Israeli Labour Party or the Likud is "Jewish" IE they advocated for a state for the muslims of the Raj, as for their safety and self determination. The Fundie party is the MMA. Now it would be MORE impressive if THEY were defending Hindu temples.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
quibble though - PML is NOT a fundie party IIUC - its the descendant of the original Muslim League which founded Pakistan, and is "Muslim" in the same sense that the Israeli Labour Party or the Likud is "Jewish" IE they advocated for a state for the muslims of the Raj, as for their safety and self determination. The Fundie party is the MMA. Now it would be MORE impressive if THEY were defending Hindu temples.

Of course. I'm not defending fanatics, nor am I saying that the party in power opposed to that (if it did, I'm sure the temple would still be standing).

I just wanted to point out that you can be Muslim and still oppose the destruction of a place of worship of other religions. This is not even worth saying to most Polytubbies, but it is aimed at the several anti-Muslim bigots we have in this forum, and who are bound to show up in this thread

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by lord of the mark



a trust is supposed to manage property in the interest of its owner. If, lets say, I had fled lower Manhattan, and the govt of the USA was holding in trust for me a motel 6, and someone proposed to tear it down and build a skyscraper, the trust would have an OBLIGATION to tear the motel down, and lease the land out, and put the money back in the trust. OTOH if it was Trinity Church (in lower Manhattan) one could see where there could be different rules.

The article says that the temple was "transferred" to the jeweller, not that it was leased to him.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
It's Cort Haus's opinion - did you expect it to be anything but foolish?

What do you mean by that ****face?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Sandman
It's a pity they demolished it. Places of religious worship make nifty bars or rock nightclubs.

I agree with this, if the place is unused for worship, and of no special cultural or architectural rarity and value.

Although I don't like religion, I often like the buildings, and certainly in the UK there are a ton of unwanted churches - many of them just closed for ever, it seems. They're a definite case for economic redevelopment.

I'd say that the last Hindu Temple in Lahore deserves preservation as a temple, though.