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It's been a sport for a long while before the ratings were high. The World Series of Poker main event has been on ESPN for a couple decades.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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Sorry, still not a sport. Maybe if they added body checking and fighting....
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Again its all about the throw down. Poker fights rulez.
What more although its rare, its quite legal to have a third man (all) in."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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Poker is a game. A competition, certainly. But not a sport.
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The real question is... what it a sport?
In taking a look at a bunch of definitions, this one sums most of them up.
a game, competition or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job:
Technically, poker would be considered a sport. Obviously, skill is needed, and there are clear rules.
When it comes to physical effort... there is some. Poker tournaments are grueling on the mental side and some what so on the physical side... Poker is a game of endurance. The body does become very stressed, and yes, the players even sweat.
I'm sure many would argue the extent of the physical effort needed... But none of the definitions state just how much physical effort is required to qualify as a sport.
Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O
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By that definition poker is as much a sport as say chess.
Now I feel sorry for picking on all those chess nerds (errrm) .... I mean chess jocks."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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When it comes to physical effort... there is some.
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Listen, I love playing poker, but it's not a sport...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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I wouldn't call playing poker "physical effort." It may require endurance, but they're just sitting there. And the sweat comes from stress, not from physical effort.
Would you call channel surfing a sport?Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin
Iain Banks missed deadline due to Civ | The eyes are the groin of the head. - Dwight Schrute.
One more turn .... One more turn .... | WWTSD
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But those poker cards are heavy!~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~
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Originally posted by joncha
But those poker cards are heavy!
Well... maybe they do get really heavy the second you realize you are sitting on a lossing hand
I'm not about to claim that the level of physical exertion in poker compares to football or basketball. But what level of exertion is required to qualify as a sport?
I've heard people argue that bowling and golf aren't sports... but both require physical exertion... where is the cut off line. What about darts, car racing, horse racing, the luge...Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O
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Enough so that a 72 year-old can't keep up with 25 year-olds12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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Ice Guys Finish Last
Why the NHL should stop wooing America.
By Chris Shott
Posted Thursday, June 8, 2006, at 3:20 PM ET
Manhattan's Atomic Wings at the Blue Room seems like a pretty sweet spot to catch Game 1 of the NHL Finals. There are five televisions, and the bar is well-stocked with Labatt Blue, the "Official Beer Sponsor of the Stanley Cup Playoffs." Still, no one cheers during the Carolina Hurricanes' stunning comeback. That's because no one (except me) is even watching. Just one TV set is showing the cable channel OLN's hockey coverage, and you have to turn your bar stool backward to see it.
Then again, finding any tube tuned to hockey is a Miracle on Ice. This intrepid puckhead had to hike 10 blocks along pub-lined Second Avenue to find a place that had the game on. All the other screens are showing the Yankees and Red Sox. "Is that even important?" one bar-going sports watcher recently asked as I ogled Lord Stanley's Cup. "Sounds like some old Polish guy's used jock strap."
As a longtime hockey fan, I'm used to the abuse. Even in New York, one of the NHL's Original Six cities, nobody cares unless the local teams are playing. This year's playoff games on OLN have averaged a measly 0.4 rating. Not only has the NHL failed to fulfill Commissioner Gary Bettman's pipe dream of becoming the nation's fourth-favorite sport (behind football, baseball, and basketball), it's now dropped below less obvious competitors such as NASCAR, professional wrestling, bowling, and poker. I say that's nothing to be ashamed of. It's time for NHL executives and fans to embrace the game's position in the American sports landscape. Hockey is—and should be—a cult sport that non-Canucks don't care about.
The NHL has always gotten into trouble when it tries to go mainstream. Since taking over in 1993, Bettman has pushed to extend the league's reach into less naturally icy environs like Georgia and Tennessee. As the NHL expanded, so did the egos of both owners and skaters. Ticket prices and player salaries soared beyond what fledgling U.S. fandom could support.
The hockey brain trust got a reality check during last year's season-canceling lockout. Americans, it seems, can adjust pretty easily to life without the NHL. Most people don't realize the league has returned, post-strike, with new rules that have sped up the game and increased scoring. How can you know that hockey's back if you didn't know that it had left in the first place?
If you're an American who's still paying attention to the NHL playoffs, chances are you're either a) a lower-rung staffer on the local sports desk, or b) an obsessive, possibly mulleted, devotee of a largely foreign pastime. Like me, for instance. (Well, minus the mullet.) Few could've predicted that a lanky kid raised in the hills of southern West Virginia—with no public skating rink for at least 100 miles—would one day become a hockey obsessive. Back in my day, there were no East Coast NHL franchises south of Washington, D.C. Yet sometime around 1986, a freak channel-surfing accident turned me on to the "Coolest Game on Earth."
Life as a West Virginia hockey cultist was tough. Think you have a hard time because your cable provider doesn't carry OLN? Try being a hockey fan during the SportsChannel era. The only game broadcast on ESPN, the Mountain State's lone cable sports network, was the NCAA Finals. I memorized Harvard's 1989 championship victory over Minnesota—the late Tom Mees calling the action, future NHLer Tom Chorske ringing the post on a breakaway, Harvard's Ed Krayer scoring in overtime—because I taped it and watched it repeatedly to get my hockey fix.
And that's the way it should be. Residents of Omaha, Neb., don't have the inalienable right to watch Australian rules football, and a guy in West Virginia—or Raleigh, N.C., for that matter—shouldn't be able to flip on the tube and watch hockey any ol' time he pleases. He certainly shouldn't be able to take a break from sipping on his sweet tea to go attend the Stanley Cup Finals. How many of the 18,928 so-called "Caniacs" who filled Raleigh's RBC Center on Wednesday would be following this year's Stanley Cup Finals if the Montreal Canadiens were playing the Oilers? I'm guessing six.
For too long, the NHL has tried to woo the disinterested masses. That needs to stop. Bettman's decision to jump from ESPN to OLN is a good first step. By switching from the world's No. 1 sports network to an obscure cable channel, the NHL has lowered expectations. In America, hockey will always be the ugly stepsister when it's sitting alongside football, baseball, and basketball. But put the NHL on a channel that's more commonly associated with hunting, fishing, and competitive barbecuing, and it actually stands out.
Unfortunately, because of a more typical Bettman move, the rest of this year's NHL finals will appear on NBC. Which lucky team will get to hoist the Stanley Cup? It doesn't matter. All America's sportswriters will write about are the games' inevitable low ratings. Of course the ratings are gonna suck. It's hockey. That's why the NHL needs to stick with OLN, which appreciates all the bum ratings it can get. Take the week of May 22, when OLN attracted a reported viewership of 426,355. That's a terrible tally by NBC standards. OLN, on the other hand, crowed that this was its "most-watched week ever."
Moving the sport from one network to another isn't enough to cure pro hockey's ills. If the league wants to get serious about its long-term survival, it should eliminate several teams. I propose that we say goodbye to the entire Southeast Division. So long, Florida Panthers, we hardly knew ye.
My experience in Manhattan notwithstanding, there are a lot more casual puck-watchers up north. During Carolina's semifinal matchup against the Buffalo Sabres, hockey viewership in western New York was four times greater than in Raleigh. Ridding the league of the Hurricanes would keep those ratings-boosting Sabres fans in front of the tube. (Angry Hurricanes fans should note that I was conceived in Chapel Hill, N.C.) Then, maybe the hockey writers could find something else to write about. Like hockey.
Sure, contraction will alienate some fans. Those six Carolinians I mentioned earlier, for instance. But I'm not worried about the hockey diehards. Know someone with a fanatical devotion to English Premier League soccer? Then you appreciate that true fans will hunt to the ends of the earth to find a way to watch their sport. They might even record a game off TV and watch it until the tape wears out if absolutely necessary. And what of your everyday yahoo, the kind who shows up in Raleigh just to hear Ric Flair's post-goal "Woooo!" on the Jumbotron? Well, when the hockey team skips town, he'll just have to find a new pastime. There's always pro wrestling, poker, and competitive barbecuing.
Chris Shott is a writer in New York.
Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2143315/
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