Star Trek Vs. Star Wars: The Wrath of the Geeks

[DinoDoc]

Even then I bet a single fighter can't take out Imperium of Man capital ships.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Even then I bet a single fighter can't take out Imperium of Man capital ships.

You're refering to the C&C being wiped out and the ship being pulled into a large body nearby. Twas a fluke.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Which is why I said the Imperium would sure as Hell let the GE know they had been in a fight(Unlike the STverse, which could be conquered on a long weekend). Imperium Vessels, especially those from the Great Crusade/Dark Age, are on par with Imperial Starfleet warships. The Problem is that the GE has the advantage in speed, method of travel(No warp issues for us!), and can turn them out of production lines much quicker than the Adeptus Mechanicus. Hell, the Best Imperium vessels are 10,000 years old. While the GE is technbologically stagnant, at least it's vessels tend to be technological refinements of previous classes, while the Imperium is on a slow backslide.

The speed and travel issue is a good point.

As far as production goes, though, I'm not so sure. Mars isn't the only planet building things. There are many, many forge worlds in the galaxy. The Imperium does lack technological innovation, but they've never shown a lacking of production capacity.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Lorizael


The speed and travel issue is a good point.

As far as production goes, though, I'm not so sure. Mars isn't the only planet building things. There are many, many forge worlds in the galaxy. The Imperium does lack technological innovation, but they've never shown a lacking of production capacity.

Oh, sure. But when one planet is considered vital to the Imperium's survival (Armegeddon) then you have trouble with the way the Machine Cult has set things up.

And yes, while the Imperium has no problems bring stuff off of construction lines for basic equipment(Leman Rus, Chimeras) they drag their ass on warships, Baneblades, and Titans because they have to go through all the sanctified crap to appease the Machine Spirit.

Aren't they hurting for Conquerer tanks because they lost the forgeworld that makes them?

[DinoDoc]

I also imagine Space Marines can hit the broadside of a barn.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I also imagine Space Marines can hit the broadside of a barn.

What are you implying? Go on, say it

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lonestar
It still flies in the face of "Borg invincible to bog-standard Feddie weapons"

The Borg aren't invicible to bog standard Fed weapons. In one of the early TNG episodes, Picard's boys were able to use handheld phasers against the Borg, though after a while they became adapted to it.

Originally posted by Lonestar
...what?

It can't be worse than the explanations for "turbo"lasers and the like

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


The Borg aren't invicible to bog standard Fed weapons. In one of the early TNG episodes, Picard's boys were able to use handheld phasers against the Borg, though after a while they became adapted to it.

More importantly, in BoBW Feddie shipboard phasers are useless unless they "change frequency" repeatibly. In FC Phasers and Torps are launch and do serious, visual damage to the cube. There is an upper-limit to the yiel the Borg can recieve.

[DinoDoc]

Are we still on the yield crap?

Lets compare weapons:
Beam Weapons
Advantage:
UFP better aim, better firepower, better finesse

Missile Weapons
Advantage:
UFP better targeting, better firepower, better utility

Tactics
Advantage:
UFP
UFP has range, maneuvering, fleet experience, no fear about point-blank, and would laugh at the fighters

Reactor Tech
Advantage:
UFP more complex, but more capable

Reactor Power
Advantage:
UFP more bang for the buck

http://st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html

[Lonestar]

Oh good, you're quoting RSA's site. You'll forgive me if I maintain a healthy amount of skepticism on a stalker who has made veiled legal threats to people who post on SDN.

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Are we still on the yield crap?

Lets compare weapons:
Beam Weapons
Advantage:
UFP better aim, better firepower, better finesse

Beam Weapons:
Advantage:
GE: (much)Better firepower, more numerous on warships, better range, and acurate targeting

Missile Weapons
Advantage:
UFP better targeting, better firepower, better utility

The Big E couldn't even hit a handful of Marquis raiders, and while their torps are their heaviest weapons, they are not the Empire's. At least Imperial missiles can execute amazing Maneuverability, whcih is something Federation projectiles lack.

Tactics
Advantage:
UFP
UFP has range, maneuvering, fleet experience, no fear about point-blank, and would laugh at the fighters

The GE won't have a fear about Point Blank range either, especially as their point blank range is much closer than Starfleet's. Fighters that can unload ordnance equilivant to Federation capital ship weaponry would cause a paradigm shift in the way Starfleet fights, if they wiss to survive. And while the UFP has the advantage at subluminal speeds, it's more than compensated for the dozens of weapons batteries on the hull of Imperial warships.

Reactor Tech
Advantage:
UFP more complex, but more capable
Power
Advantage:
UFP more bang for the buck

UFP reactors are death traps, and produce still produce measurably less energy than Imperial Reactors.

[Lonestar]

[Kuciwalker]

[Lonestar]

You a SDN man as well?

[Kuciwalker]

No, but I read through the site a while back.

[Dr Strangelove]

IIRC during one episode of Deep Space Nine it was revealed that the rather small ship Defiant could muster enough fire power to obliterate an entire planet (the Founder's homeworld).