June 5th, 1989

[Ecthy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

[GePap]

Originally posted by General Ludd



Lazyness...

Well, americans are amazingly lazy, but it's quite a bit of a stretch to say that is the only reason it's not remembered.

I learned about this event randomly, through a TV documentary of tyhe period. The information about what happened in 1932 is not repressed. There is simply no interest.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by GePap


I learned about this event randomly, through a TV documentary of tyhe period. The information about what happened in 1932 is not repressed. There is simply no interest.

There is no interest, because it's be FORGOTTEN. It's been forgotten, because it is a blemish on the country and government, just like Tiananmen square is for China.

You can just as easily come to the conclusion that there is simply no interest in Tiananmen square in china.

[GePap]

Originally posted by General Ludd


There is no interest, because it's be FORGOTTEN. It's been forgotten, because it is a blemish on the country and government, just like Tiananmen square is for China.

You can just as easily come to the conclusion that there is simply no interest in Tiananmen square in china.

In China the subject is actively taboo. That is not the same in the US. There is a significant difference.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by GePap


In China the subject is actively taboo. That is not the same in the US. There is a significant difference.

What, should we wait another decade or two when it's been completely forgotten and is unactively taboo in china before we compare them?



It's amazing that you'll throw a fit at china for "forgeting it's history" but simply shrug and say meh when your own country's forgetfulness is mentioned.

[GePap]

Originally posted by General Ludd


What, should we wait another decade or two when it's been completely forgotten and is unactively taboo in china before we compare them?



It's amazing that you'll throw a fit at china for "forgeting it's history" but simply shrug and say meh when your own country's forgetfulness is mentioned.

Its amazing you will make **** up to please your indignation.

The events of that day were never supressed actively in the US. They were ignored by those in power, the victims made little noise about it long term, no one cared internationally, so it became just another one in a long line of actions that get forgotten.

UNlike in Tianemen, were the government has actively sought to supress the memory in the face of lots of information being out there fed by international interest.

[mactbone]

OK, but we still remember the draft riots in the Civil War. Does this mean the goverent is hit and miss at covering stuff up?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by GePap
The events of that day were never supressed actively in the US. They were ignored by those in power, the victims made little noise about it long term, no one cared internationally, so it became just another one in a long line of actions that get forgotten.

UNlike in Tianemen, were the government has actively sought to supress the memory in the face of lots of information being out there fed by international interest.

The difference here is semantic, at best. China "suppresses" the memory through commuinst brainwashing, the USA "ignores" the memory through a democratic memory lapse. There is no real difference.

[GePap]

Originally posted by General Ludd


The difference here is semantic, at best. China "suppresses" the memory through commuinst brainwashing, the USA "ignores" the memory through a democratic memory lapse. There is no real difference.

The difference is in intent. Who knows just how many events have been "forgotten" for all intents and purposes. That is the inherent problem of history-records deteriorate, vanish, people's memory lapses, and if no one tells you something happen fifty years before you were born, you will never know it happened.

I am sure there are textbooks in the US that deal with the incident, that mention it. I doubt there are many if any textbook in China that deal with Tiannemen in any way other than giving the government spin.

Besides, there is another difference. Tianemen happened within our lifetimes. That is why the memory is fresh. Heck, we all saw it on TV. NOt many people who werew in Washington in 1932, or watching newsreels at the time are still alive.

[Ecthy]

Annnd... what exactly 'happened in 1932'?

[VetLegion]

The US government used force to disperse WWI veterans who had come to Washington in 1932 to collect their "bonus" certificates redeemable in 1945 and had gotten violent.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Annnd... what exactly 'happened in 1932'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

[loinburger]

Originally posted by mactbone
OK, but we still remember the draft riots in the Civil War. Does this mean the goverent is hit and miss at covering stuff up?

We also remember the shootings at Kent State, which are quite a bit more recent than the attack on the Bonus Army. I think this just means that people like to play the "Americans are dumb roflmao" or the "Americans are evil roflmao" card whenever a non-American atrocity is brought up.

Although we really should be bringing up Finnish atrocities, since Kassi is the one who posted the thread.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by loinburger

We also remember the shootings at Kent State, which are quite a bit more recent than the attack on the Bonus Army. I think this just means that people like to play the "Americans are dumb roflmao" or the "Americans are evil roflmao" card whenever a non-American atrocity is brought up.

word

That was a tragedy

[General Ludd]

Actually, I bet if you picked 4 random US college students they wouldn't be able to identify the kent state photo, and atleast one of them would say it's from 9/11 or something.