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I wouldn't go that far, Kid. There are things that can be done (like making sure that the schools are safe, in good condition and properly supplied).
The change in attitude does have to come from within (I'd include parents, though... kids are products of their environment for the most part).
My boss's boyfriend's daughter came out to live here in CT with them a couple of years ago from the Denver area. I don't know about the school system she was in out in CO, or the one she was in here, actually (in other words, whether or not she was therefore in a better school out here). What I do know is that her father insisted that she improve her grades ,and both he and my boss worked with her on that. She went from having a bunch of Cs, Ds and Fs to mostly Bs. She's going to college.
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Of course, but those things are already done. Most of the teachers are qualified, etc..Originally posted by Arrian
There are things that can be done (like making sure that the schools are safe, in good condition and properly supplied).I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I'm not convinced that is so in every case (in fact, I rather think it isn't - some schools are falling apart, some are inadequately supplied, and some lack qualified teachers, especially in the math/science area).
Hey, I've got some good friends who are teachers. And they served their time in the inner city schools for a couple of years and then got the **** out. One now teaches in a decent school in a largish town full of working-class people (NOT "inner city"), where he is the head of the history/social studies department. The other is teaching in a fairly posh Boston suburb.
I am NOT asserting that it's all about throwing more money at the problem. But saying that it's not all gonna be solved by spending =! no more spending is ever a good idea.
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LAUSD might have a problem with keeping qualified teachers. Other than that the schools have pretty much all of the qualified teachers they need. From what I've seen Fresno USD and the school district in Ventura County that I taught at have no problem with supplies. They get state money for everything they need.Originally posted by Arrian
I'm not convinced that is so in every case (in fact, I rather think it isn't - some schools are falling apart, some are inadequately supplied, and some lack qualified teachers, especially in the math/science area).I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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That's not to say that it doesn't matter where what school your kids go to. Your kids will do better at schools that have higher test scores. The schools aren't necessarily better, but it's an easier environment for them, because the students respond better.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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A question (not necessarily to Kid), why is it presumed that a High School diploma is an achievment wihtin reach by all?Originally posted by Kidicious
The unbelievable thing is that they did take a make up. Some of them took the test maybe 5 or more times. These kids just don't do well at tests.
Wasn't there a time in times past when some just couldn't hack it and dropped out for other vocations? Why do we suspect that the generation of today can (or should be made to graduate) even if their accomplishments don't merit it?"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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No Child Left Behind!
Because dropouts tend to do rather poorly, and accepting failure is bad, wouldn't you say?
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No Child Left behind (good one
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Seriously I have no idea the complexity of said exit tests in order to qualify for a diploma, but the question remains is some portion just not meant to graduate (at least that was the thinking years past when there was a plethora of jobs that didn't require edumacation). Why do we think now decades later that the inherent aptitude of this generation makes them 100% fit for graduation when that wasn't the case in times past?"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Thanks. I made a funny
100% is the goal one strives to acheive even whilst realizing it's unattainable. But seriously, those who fail & drop out, by and large (I'm sure there are exceptions) tend to have trouble getting decent jobs and such. Thus, it makes sense to do more than throw up our hands and say "welp, some people are just idjits."
Besides, the percentages of minorities (specifically, blacks & hispanics) who fail are scary. Regardless of root causes and whatnot (cause? excuse?), having an underclass of (in the parlance of MtG) leetel brown people is, erm, not ideal. Wouldn't you say?
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It should be ok to be dumb.Originally posted by Arrian
Besides, the percentages of minorities (specifically, blacks & hispanics) who fail are scary. Regardless of root causes and whatnot (cause? excuse?), having an underclass of (in the parlance of MtG) leetel brown people is, erm, not ideal. Wouldn't you say?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Should it be ok to simply give up on a significant percentage of the population? Particularly given the history of race relations in this country?
Some people are smarter than others, sure. What are you trying to say, Kid?
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I merely pointed out the expectation to be not so smart wasn't there in generations past what with plenty of unskilled work available. There is nothing per se that has changed with the populace save the availability of unskilled jobs diminishing, so all of a sudden the problem comes to the fore.
Translation - we didn't need to do anything about it before but in todays society we need to. doesn't mean that the problem is necessarily resolvable however."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Really crappy schools.
We should just give up on public school. Kids these days are frickin retarded and there kids will be even worse.
According to NCES my area code has a dropout rate of 63%.
Mostly minorities. Well actually, Majorities, cause you know. Tampa florida is less than 50% Caucasian.
Awesomely RACIST! But a quick look at the curriculum has me wondering how dumb these kids can be or what the hell motivates them to not want too learn? I really am starting to believe culture influences encourage them.
So lets all just sue. Im game. My dad has a Jewish Lawyer that won him 200,000$ in an auto accident.Comment
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