California and Gay History

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
When ALL history IS taught, then you can complain about special catagories of history. I would perfer an integrated history course for all students, but since that isn't happening, this is better than nothing.

Well, I can understand that a special effort must be made about non Eurocentric history. Considering the effect on slavery on your society, African history looks essential to me in that regard.

However, what the heck is the reason why gayness or straightness should be mentioned when mentioning a historical figure? What difference does it make if Lincoln was gay or not? Regardless of where he enjoyed to put his penis, he still is the historical figure of immense significance that we know. Need we also mention his favourite ale, and his favourite colour, so that the community-of-people-who-prefer-purple is satisfied that such a man comes from their ranks?

To me, this "gay history" is as deeply stupid and communitarian as the gay olympics. I'd like the gyas to be treated as mainstream, ordinary people, who just happen to prefer the same sex, like some people just happen to prefer purple. Gayness should be no big ****ing deal.

By making things such as "gay history", their proponents contribute to make gayness into a big ****ing deal. If them guys want to derive so much identity from something as mundane as sexual orientation, they shouldn't be surprised that so many heteroes treat them as strangers, as freaks

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Spiffor
However, what the heck is the reason why gayness or straightness should be mentioned when mentioning a historical figure?

Because evil religionistas are haters and liars and that gay people have been important parts of our history needs to be pointed out to show the truth to their lies.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because evil religionistas are haters and liars and that gay people have been important parts of our history needs to be pointed out to show the truth to their lies.

You mean, your country is that ****ed up that there is a strong current of bigots who claim that gays have never done anything significant to your country, and they use these "definitive" claims to back their bigotry?

[chequita guevara]

Yes.

[Pekka]

Man I hope this gay thing doesn't become the new what ever PC thing.

Of course I assume that gays are just like the rest of us, I mean I don't need to go out there with 'I'm straight!' shirt on and think I'm a majority/minority, what ever. It's sexual preference, it's a gender thing, it's that you like the same gender. What's the big deal?

Come on gay people, don't let me down on this one. I consider you normal people, so what are you doing here, trying to claim you're special? So gay people have had hard time. So what? Do you need special attention now because of it, maybe special laws?

No. You are not a minority anymore than left-handed people are a minority, or people with red hair or people who prefer sugar free pepsi to the original.

Yes, yes, yes gay people can be proud of who they are, but don't make this into a weakness and PC thing.

In the future, I will bash gay people being gay, I will bash straight people being gay, I will bash sports teams being gay and I will generally just bash. If someone gets offended, I don't want the gay community becoming the same such as .. dare I say... the cartoon thing.

You know, you have been a target of fun, and let it be so. You're not special. I like strawberry, you like chocolate. Whoopdidoo. Get over it!

[chequita guevara]

And Pekka totally misses the ****ing point.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Spiffor
You mean, your country is that ****ed up that there is a strong current of bigots who claim that gays have never done anything significant to your country, and they use these "definitive" claims to back their bigotry?

Don't listen to che, that's BS. I have NEVER heard any anti-gay bigot say that gays have never done anything in history, so it is ok to hate them.

[Pekka]

Dude I never read your messages or the articlet on the OP.

SO I wasn't even addressing any points here!

just making generic 'don't become PC offended people on a mission' gay community hear me out!1

[BlackCat]

Ouch, I guess the end is near. MOBIUS agreeing with me and I agree with Pekka

There isn't anything special about being gay and therefore gay people shall not be treated otherwise than others. It's similar to women - they can do whatever they want if they want it, and they do. Actually, If I wsa a woman, I would be very pissed if I had to live under Norwegian ruling.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Are there any major American historical figures who were gay? Harvey Milk was hardly a major figure, though the case of Harvey Milk and dan White is sort of historically interesting. Dan White claimed that he was under the influence of twinkies when he shot Mr. Milk. Considering his crime he got a very light sentence , but after his release he committed suicide.

Dan White not only murdered Harvey Milk, but killed the SF mayor on that same day.

[MrFun]

Gays have suffered from far more discrimination than left-handed people or red hair people.

To use such analogies is ludricous.

[Pekka]

So what?

[Ted Striker]

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[Pekka]

Cool stuff.

[fed1943]

Originally posted by MrFun
Gays have suffered from far more discrimination than left-handed people or red hair people.

To use such analogies is ludricous.

Yes, they did.

I'm old enough to have seen it ( everywhere, in the streets); and I still remember; and I never understood.

But the important is: And now?

If that is just a thing of the past, no use to claim in the name of people who already passed from old age.

If still present, I say fight, you have my symphaty, as long you don't bore someone against his will and you never try children.

Best regards,