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I was watching Penn and Tellers BS on boy scouts and yeah since they ban gays, one of the dudes said that it's beacuse of high moral values and mostly because gays can't be role models.
This got me thinking, since this is a claim we here often.... since when is intolerance not extended to hating gay people, and since when is intolerance excluded from high moral values when anti-gay is in it? And who is the author for making the rules of what those high moral values are? Aren't they pretty much subjective, maybe aside from few universal things.. but I would assume few of those universal things would be tolerance?!
So why does tolerance exclude gay people and why can't they be role models? I haven't seen a good bunch of studies were it is proved that straight kids will turn into gays if they are taught by a gay person in some things. I have, however witnessed that many straight people teach anti-gay sentiments to kids, so that even they don't see their own arguments being kind of lame, because they've learned it early on.
I guess many people are afraid that if a gay person is a role model, then their kids turn gay as well. I doubt this claim, why would they turn gay? It's sexual preference after all.. I don't think a lot of people are gay and at the same time don't want to be, I mean that they really are straight but are forced to gay stuff because they want to
'please' their role models. And who thinks, that role models even want to turn things sexual, I mean, if it was a straight role model, who thinks the kids are going to go and have straight sex, just to please the role model and then the role model turns back and says 'cool stuff kids, being straight is awesome, so go ahead and bang some more!'.. I just don't see that happening.
Why is it even an issue? If some people want to do stuff together in their own time and space, how is it any concern of the rest of us? Why do we care? Outside religious people who feel gay stuff is sin and bad that is. Why do, the rest of us, care at all? Why do we bring sex stuff up because someone else wants to do it some other way? Why isn't it a non-issue?
Are there any VALID arguments? I've heard a lot of 'it's bad, it's unnatural' arguments, but come on, they really aren't arguments...
This got me thinking, since this is a claim we here often.... since when is intolerance not extended to hating gay people, and since when is intolerance excluded from high moral values when anti-gay is in it? And who is the author for making the rules of what those high moral values are? Aren't they pretty much subjective, maybe aside from few universal things.. but I would assume few of those universal things would be tolerance?!
So why does tolerance exclude gay people and why can't they be role models? I haven't seen a good bunch of studies were it is proved that straight kids will turn into gays if they are taught by a gay person in some things. I have, however witnessed that many straight people teach anti-gay sentiments to kids, so that even they don't see their own arguments being kind of lame, because they've learned it early on.
I guess many people are afraid that if a gay person is a role model, then their kids turn gay as well. I doubt this claim, why would they turn gay? It's sexual preference after all.. I don't think a lot of people are gay and at the same time don't want to be, I mean that they really are straight but are forced to gay stuff because they want to
'please' their role models. And who thinks, that role models even want to turn things sexual, I mean, if it was a straight role model, who thinks the kids are going to go and have straight sex, just to please the role model and then the role model turns back and says 'cool stuff kids, being straight is awesome, so go ahead and bang some more!'.. I just don't see that happening.
Why is it even an issue? If some people want to do stuff together in their own time and space, how is it any concern of the rest of us? Why do we care? Outside religious people who feel gay stuff is sin and bad that is. Why do, the rest of us, care at all? Why do we bring sex stuff up because someone else wants to do it some other way? Why isn't it a non-issue?
Are there any VALID arguments? I've heard a lot of 'it's bad, it's unnatural' arguments, but come on, they really aren't arguments...
) "high moral values" are imaginary, arbitrary notions. In nature there is no morality; Humans have created for themselves this construct of proper behaviour and righteousness. The way I view it, the Golden Rule of "Do unto others that which you would have done unto you" is the only "high moral value" that is congruant with nature. Life survives and thrives when little to no harm is done. Hatred and discrimination causes harm, therefore hatred is anti-life. These fundamentalcase Christians in the US are no different than the radical Islamicysts: They share a Culture of Death. That's all they know, that's all they love. They worship a vengeful unloving God, they gleefully murder or call for the death(s) of That Which Is Not Like Them, and they despise their own breathern who are economically less well-off.
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