Communists start both World Wars

[Ned]

As to WW II, there was a war in China that began in 1936. There was a war in Europe that began in 1939. What united them and truly made them a World War was when America entered the war in 1941, fighting both wars at the same time.

So in a sense, World War II does begin in 1936 in China.

[Frozzy]

Originally posted by BlackCat


If I'm not wrong, only luftwaffe was present in spain, so the german panzer didn't have many chances to practise anything.

Untrue. The Condor Legion included tank crews, with Panzer I tanks. However, as documented by Heinz Guderian in his autobiography, the extent to which these tanks were used was on too insufficient, and the terrain too unsuitible for tanks, to allow any doctrine to be tested in Spain.

IIRC the Germans also tested anti-aircraft guns against tanks and fortifications in the war.

[Kidlicious]

I blame Bush

[Frozzy]

Originally posted by Ned
As to WW II, there was a war in China that began in 1936. There was a war in Europe that began in 1939. What united them and truly made them a World War was when America entered the war in 1941, fighting both wars at the same time.

We'll just ignore the fact that the Japanese were planning an assault on British and Dutch colonies in Asia prior to 1941, and had indeed forced Vichy France to surrender Indochina after the French capitulation.

[Kidlicious]

Bush said it was France, and who ever blames France first is to blame.

Anyway, hi Ned, and gn everyone.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Darius871
That's not entirely accurate; the Tangu Truce established a DMZ south of the Great Wall that included Beiping & Tianjin, then the He-Umezu Agreement removed all GMD government bodies in Hebei province, and finally the creation of the Hebei-Chahar Council gave Japan administrative control of the area. By 1937 it was Chinese territory in name only.

You know, I have been providing a convenient link in my sig for ages on this.

[Vince278]

I don't think we need Serb here to tell us the premise of this thread is crap.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Dis

That is just anti-communism, Cali didn't get Ned's irony, and Im hints at the Moroccan crises. Ecthy for world ruler

Ned wasn't being ironic. This is simply par for the course.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Elok
Ahhh, so this is the "Nediverse" of which you have spoken?

Welcome to the other side.

[Sikander]

Good to see you Ned!

[germanos]

One wonders what the Japanese were doing in Peiking in the first place

[Spiffor]

Yay! Ned is back!

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
actually Serb have started every war in europe since 1914 - fact

Corrected.

[Vince278]

[Tattila the Hun]

Originally posted by Ned


Che, what you say here is what I was taught. The HC said they were anarchists. Given the meaning of that word today, I think it is clear they were commies.

They were hired by the "Black Hand," which appears to be a terrorist organization operated by the Serbian government. http://www.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/blk-hand.html

The reason Austria declared war was that Serbia declined to allow Austria to participate in the investigation of the terrorists. Given what we now know of the Black Hand, there is little doubt as to why Serbia rejected this Austrian demand.

Declined? I seem to recall Serbia declined to be bent over backwards and forcefully violated with sharp objects up her rectum, using modern terms. They could never have accepted the ultimatum, so outrageous where the demands within. And just incase, the Austro-Hungarian embassador was instructed to decline to receive any answer, at all.

Irony was, that Arch-Duke was a modern monarch, he believed in more self-rule and liberties for the various minorities in the empire, including the serbs.

And I don't believe Black Hand, or Princip, were communists. Nationalists, even patriots, trying to force a chance to the rotten monarchies of europe. Not spark a a war, mind you. Not even that many of the politicians at time saw war coming, untill germans mobilized... "Whut, we are at war? How did this happen?"