WHAT is so bad about U.S. isolationism?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Yeah but we will make the EU fat with our Mctransfat ploy.

[Velociryx]

^ btw, elocution in action on the 'net! And they said it couldn't be done! Pah!

-=Vel=-

[Ecthy]

Yeah, all service nations will die out come the next economic crisis - world war combined.

[Sandman]

WHAT is so bad about U.S. isolationism?

I used to think it might be desirable, but not any more.

Firstly, massive protectionism doesn't work. Apart from the fact that long-vanished manufacturing industries do not re-appear overnight, the result will be a vicious circle of ever-more inefficient companies demanding ever-more protection.

Secondly, under isolationism, the freakish rightwing ideologies that are currently dismantling America from within may become even more strident.

A bad economy and bad ideology means big trouble for the rest of the world. No thanks.

[Ecthy]

Bah. it's all about security...

To put it bluntly, if you isolate, who stops China from allying with Mexico and invading in 20 years?

[Colon™]

Originally posted by Vesayen



Not a SINGLE ONE OF THOSE EVENTS happened *BECAUSE* we were isolationist. They all had seperate causes. There is absolutley no causal relation between our isolationist policies and those events.

Who said those US isolationism caused those?

[alva]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
But look, Vel. USA gets involved, the world curses us. Stay out of it, the world draws us into events, and curses us.

WTF difference does it make? We're bastards no matter what.

Hey, you're the people who like going:

" USA!!USA!! We're number 1 ".

Comes with a few duties and responsibilities I'm afraid.

Always better to be nr2.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Bah. it's all about security...

To put it bluntly, if you isolate, who stops China from allying with Mexico and invading in 20 years?

Violence?

[fed1943]

Isolationism? Isolationism is "just" to put yourselves separated of the outside world. No political aliances, no military aliances, leave ONU and other organizations, no day by day buying from outside or selling to outside (yes,oil and grain,too) put your currency in clearing, maybe forbid the internet.
To the rest of the World the States do not exist, to the States the outer World do not exist.If it is this you want, I heartly hope you never got the agreement from your fellow Americans.
Otherwise how could I buy my next games?And if I did, without Windows... right,I would save some money.
Best regards,

[Ecthy]

It might be too late by then Whoha. Non-isolation is better for prevention.

[Cort Haus]

If 'isolationism' means non-interventionism then this would be a good thing IMV, and not just for the USA. I don't see this as the same as economic protectionism.

Interventionism reached its zenith with the attack on Iraq, and hopefully started its retreat with the withdrawal of Fukuyama from the 'neo-con' agenda.

In Europe, Tony Blair will always want to start wars against 'inferior' nations, and we'll have to take care of him ourselves over here, but I suspect the US citizens' appetite for their government trying to run all the countries in the world is lessening.

[Sava]

Re: WHAT is so bad about U.S. isolationism?

Originally posted by Vesayen


So… I admit I am not the MOST knowledgeable about this sort of thing,

I would have never guessed

so I’d love to hear your arguments-what would be so bad about the U.S. becoming isolationist?

well... it just isn't possible.

Not unless you want to give up pretty much all consumer goods.

The US doesn't have the ability to produce all of these goods domestically... at least, not at the cost of importing the goods from other countries. TV's, computers, clothing... very little of the things we buy are made in the US.

So while you may want to go hide your head in the sand, it just isn't a very practicle idea.

America's problems aren't caused by the rest of the world. We need to take responsibility for our problems and deal with them... not close our borders and stick our heads in the sand.

[Patroklos]

Isolationism does not mean becoming Bregna.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
But look, Vel. USA gets involved, the world curses us. Stay out of it, the world draws us into events, and curses us.

WTF difference does it make? We're bastards no matter what.

So were the Romans.

[Drake Tungsten]

Last time the US went isolationist, Hitler rose, Japan went beserk in China and we got this event that allowed cinematic gems such as Saving Private Ryan.

Exactly. The rest of the world can't control themselves if America isn't around to show them how to behave.