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  • #46
    Well I guess my opinion is that the US is not intentionally malicious or hegemonistic, but rather the view that culturally speaking, it is rather like a belligerent teenager that doesn't quite know what to do with itself.

    In 2003, when we were very busy discussing the Iraq war, I was very much in the anti-war camp, and I feel somewhat vindicated now but I digress. A lot of people here had the same view as me; that the US probably intended well but by forcing its own cultural values on others (via military action or globalisation) it was only going to inflame things.

    My mistake, in my opinion, back then was to consider the US as a homogenous force, which of course it isn't. IMO there's more difference between East+West coast culture and Mid-West / Southern cultural values, than there is between East+West, and the UK.

    From my frequent debates on the subject of religion, it has become clear both to me, and generally to many in Britain, that there are many uneducated and misguided people living in the US, but crucially, to hold such backward views as young Earth creationism and fundamentalist Christianity, there require people to misguide them, so to speak.

    Of these people, and I think there are many, we could easily ascribe many of America's perceived ills, whether that's fair or otherwise. Something like the Scopes "Monkey Trial", or the recent trial that dealt with the same issues, the treatment of Bertrand Russell on his appointment to a New York college in the '40's, and even the passing of the PATRIOT act, would have never happened in the UK under anything but the MOST extreme of social circumstances.

    Perhaps it's our cultural idiosyncracy, and not the US's... after all we have a custom of non-extremism in this country. I fear that the US with its decentralised education system and desperate search for historical validation (being a relatively young nation), is particularly vulnerable to extremists, be they political or religious. History has shown this repeatedly throughout the 20th century, the influence of the KKK being a good example.

    So my main concern with the USA is the ease with which popular opinion can be manipulated, and this is a reciprocal thing with government for obvious reasons. One wonders where it will lead. And that's my two cents .
    "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
    "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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    • #47
      Do I have to copy and paste that into your website?
      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
      "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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      • #48
        Speaking of American culture, if the dreaded Americanization actually worked, western Europe, which has been inundated by American movies, tourists, etc, etc, for as long as anywhere else, would have turned into a hellhole of Christian consies long ago.
        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
        The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Pekka

          DAMN IT! I spent AT LEAST 6 minutes doing it.
          That is such an obvious bragging lie. I doubt you've ever spent more than 2 minutes doing it.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #50
            Speaking of American culture, if the dreaded Americanization actually worked, western Europe, which has been inundated by American movies, tourists, etc, etc, for as long as anywhere else, would have turned into a hellhole of Christian consies long ago.
            We've been saved by the gays and the immigrants
            "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
            "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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            • #51
              The immigrants are the most fundy and consie segment of the Swedish population.
              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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              • #52
                .. more like 6 minutes.

                But I'd like to point out an important thing here... when I read your .. mission statement, I though it was spot on, but it goes both ways. People do have misconceptions about Americans too. It's not only Americans who might have misconceptions about what's happening around the world. Everyone has misconceptions. We are, after all, humans.
                In da butt.
                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                • #53
                  Pekka
                  I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                  Asher on molly bloom

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Whaleboy
                    Do I have to copy and paste that into your website?
                    Thanks, great post Whaleboy, and don't worry, I will do the copying and pasting for you, but could you tell me which country you live in, and your age perhaps? An email will be fine if you get a chance. Thanks again!
                    Elle's site

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Pekka
                      .. more like 6 minutes.

                      But I'd like to point out an important thing here... when I read your .. mission statement, I though it was spot on, but it goes both ways. People do have misconceptions about Americans too. It's not only Americans who might have misconceptions about what's happening around the world. Everyone has misconceptions. We are, after all, humans.
                      This is why I love this project so much Pekka. We all have misconceptions of course, but I believe it is better to listen and learn what I can and maybe other Americans will do the same. Since I have started this research I have had several people ask me questions about my culture and it has been a great way to expel some of the stereotypes, although a lot of them are based in some truth.

                      Oh, and I can vouch that you must have spent a good 6-8 minutes on your answers, lol, unless you are an especially fast typist.
                      Elle's site

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by elle


                        Thanks, great post Whaleboy, and don't worry, I will do the copying and pasting for you, but could you tell me which country you live in, and your age perhaps? An email will be fine if you get a chance. Thanks again!
                        Tis ok, I'm 21, Northampton, UK.
                        "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                        "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                        • #57
                          What I think about americans?

                          a very heterogenous bunch. I also think that your society is too divided. You have plenty of people who care about other people in society, but it seems as if your government and general society doesn't reflect that. Generally, as a society, you are not something I would want to aspire too. As individuals, you're a diverse bunch, as diverse as any.

                          America's politics are too dominated by people with money influencing things. way too much. Your history though is full of great people who have done many great things. From this century, I'd point out Theodor Roosvelt, FDR, Eisenhower as such examples.


                          In relation to the relationship to our country - you give us your stuff, and this makes our politics dependent on you, a thing that I resent very much. You meddle in our affairs constantly, and it certainly isn't in the interests of freedom, but good old cash. Also, you're arrogant about it, as if you're doing us a favor - which isn't true - you buy we sell, in this case, we're whoring out our regional policy for a quick fix.



                          I am 21, from Israel.
                          urgh.NSFW

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                          • #58
                            a very heterogenous bunch. I also think that your society is too divided... As individuals, you're a diverse bunch, as diverse as any.


                            Doesn't the first follow from the second? You can't have a homogeneous collection of diverse individuals, can you?

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                            • #59
                              No there's a difference between diversity and division. Ones passive, ones active.
                              "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                              "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
                                hé spiff, j'ai bourré mes réponses avec la langage de gnève. pierre le pauvre va avoir de la peine à comprendre.



                                SALE FROUZ




                                nan, j'blague.
                                Yeah, he's really going to have a tough time getting through that thick slang.

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