Hillary Clinton is officially a moron.

[Dis]

Originally posted by DaShi
That's because she believes in family values.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
if she wins, would she keep the status quo with abortion and gay marriage?

Or try to introduce changes?

abortion is not a decision made by POTUS. The "status quo" is a supreme court decision, Roe V Wade, that prevents states from banning abortion in the first two trimesters. There have been several court cases in recent years making it easier for states to limit abortion during the first two trimesters. If Hillary is elected she would presumably appoint justices who are unlikely to support further weakening of Roe V Wade.

Gay marriage is, by contrast, currently a state matter. The status quo in each state is subject to change, depending on the legislature and courts within each state. The admin has expressed support for a Federal constitutional amendment to ban it. I doubt very much that Hillary would support such an amendment.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Guiliani won't get the nomination. McCain may, however, and would probably trounce whoever was in his way.

McCain's formidable, no doubt about it. But he's actually spent a lot of time defending Bush, and he'll be reminded of that over and over in a general election. The Dems will understand that there best shot in 2008 is to turn the election into a referendum on the Bush administration; if they succeed, McCain is probably the best GOP hope (except for candidates who would never survive the primary process, like Guiliani and Romney), but even McCain may not escape the gravitational pull of Bush's failures -- especially since he's on the record defending them.

[Drake Tungsten]

If all the Dems have is Bush-bashing (again), then I guess they're going to lose in 2008...

[DRoseDARs]

I fully expect to see this picture many times should McCain decide to run in '08...



That's sad: Being a whore for little more than a cake.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
If all the Dems have is Bush-bashing (again), then I guess they're going to lose in 2008...

Quoted for POSTERITY...

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
I fully expect to see this picture many times should McCain decide to run in '08...



That's sad: Being a whore for little more than a cake.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
If all the Dems have is Bush-bashing (again), then I guess they're going to lose in 2008...

I'd agree. But Bush-bashing plus an alternative agenda could easily carry the day.

Of course, that would mean the Dems have to come up with an alternative agenda...so, clearly, they're still in a lot of trouble.

[Drake Tungsten]

Of course, that would mean they'd have to come up with an alternative agenda...so, clearly, there still in a lot of trouble.

I see we're on the same page on this one...

[DRoseDARs]

Thanks, but we've already established in this thread she's not well-liked here.

Though I am curious about the context of that picture. It comes from some Indian or Pakistani english online newsletter, but I can't find the article it's attached to.

[GePap]

Rudy has way too many skeletons in his closet. Just look at what happened to his friend Kerick when they were going to make him HS Secretary.

People forget, take away 9/11 and Rudy is nothing but an abrasive guy who was on his way out without much love here in NYC.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by GePap
Rudy has way too many skeletons in his closet. Just look at what happened to his friend Kerick when they were going to make him HS Secretary.

People forget, take away 9/11 and Rudy is nothing but an abrasive guy who was on his way out without much love here in NYC.

Even better is this tidbit from 2001:

New York's Mayor Rudolph Giuliani is in the midst of a vicious divorce. For reasons we can't even begin to fathom, his estranged wife, Donna Hanover, continues to occupy Gracie Mansion, the official mayoral residence, even though she has never been elected to anything. The mayor, meanwhile, is staying with friends.

It turns out Giuliani's hosts are a gay couple, car dealer Howard Koeppel and his companion, Mark Hsaio, who works for the city's Department of Cultural Affairs. The New York Times' Frank Rich (link requires registration) paid a visit to Koeppel and Hsaio last week, "when the mayor was out" (no pun intended, we presume).

Seven words:

Vicious divorce. Gay roommates. South Carolina primary.

As I said, Rudy might play well in the general election, but his own GOP opponents would eat him alive before he ever got close to the nomination.

[Kaak]

so ummm...off i go to dictionary.com and i find some definitions:
Criminalize-
1. To impose a criminal penalty on or for; outlaw.
2. To treat as a criminal.

Criminal-
1. Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.
2. Relating to the administration of penal law.

3. a) Guilty of crime.
b) Characteristic of a criminal.
n. One that has committed or been legally convicted of a crime.

Illegal-
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.

n.
An illegal immigrant

[KrazyHorse]

dp

[KrazyHorse]

Criminal in the legal sense is an illegal act punishable by either fine or imprisonment. Noncriminal illegal acts are punishable only by fine.

You're welcome to continue acting like a doofus and confusing the specialised legal sense in which Hillary opposes criminalising illegal immigration and the general sense in which all illegal acts are criminal, though.