French labour laws trigger immense protests

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by ajbera
As I said earlier, where's a reckless drunk driver when you need one?

But seriously, you think those idiots protesting in the streets are only inhibiting regular working-class people? What about emergency vehicles? What about people on their way to their jobs as EMTs, firefighters, trauma surgeons? People running to pick up their kids who are waiting for them outside school? And what's wrong with those folks just trying to get to their jobs so they can feed their f*cking families?

I can understand not continuing the libertarian vs socialism debate. That's an honest difference in philosophy, and neither side will be swayed by the other's arguments. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

But you Oncle Boris, are a total asshole. If you're out there blocking traffic, I'm really hoping a drunk driver comes your way.

And you would equally clueless. I don't know in what kind of ivory tower you live, but had you ever been to a demo, you'd know that emergency vehicles can go into the crowd when needed (unless they're bringing the cops to beat us, in which case it results in beef). As for roadblocks, they're just a common strategy, and they can always go around them, or force/negociate their way in if it's really needed.

[Fake Boris]

And if you're going to complain about the odd senior who dies of an heart attack because every two years a demo delays an ambulance by 2 min, why don't you bring the issue of all poor people who can't even afford healthcare? The order of magnitude between the two is so huge, it's ridiculous.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Or if you are supporting multiple people in your household. Who is going to pay for your grandparents? Or, I guess you're content with saying, screw you grandpa, live on what the government gives you and leave me alone?!

It's not the government, it's me. About 20% of the price I cost to my employer goes to retirement. My pockets only line about 60% of what my employer pays.

Or, heaven forbid you want more than the 'standard number' of children.

Family grants are of considerable help to families that have 3+ kids. Family grants are also part of the 40% (of the cost I represent) that goes directly to the social system.

Lets give the lucky bastards who have them more security, so they can lord over the underclass we have purposely created by our idiotic laws!

I find something deliciously ironic with that statement. Nearly all of my temp colleagues hoped they'll one day land a stable job, maybe after showing dedication in the right temp mission. A kind of "French dream" if you wish, in reference to the American dream. In the US, poor people have hopes to become self-made-men, so that the underclass doesn't become too unruly.


Curiously enough, Commies are getting an ever higher popularity in France these days. The Socialist Party (centre left) gives only timid answers to the challenges posed by the CPE. The various flavours of commies are currently in a recruiting spree, after years (if not decades) of weakened interest from the part of the population's.
In aprticular, according to polls, it is interesting to notice that there is a clear left-leanness among those impoverished youth who are beginning to grow interest for politics (after the riots of December, and now with the CPE).

This is probably a cultural difference. France, being a Catholic country, never caught the "calvinist work ethic" virus that sent the us on the path of work 80 hours a week so we have enough money to buy the next worthles fad that props up our disgustingly extreme form of consumerism.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
And blocking traffic in order to demonstrate is an offense now? I guess you've got the right to demonstrate as long as you stay on the sidewalk?

If they block roads so that emergency vehicles cannot reach their destination then they are creating a danger to the general public. How would you like it if you house was on fire but the fire trucks couldn't get there because of these protesters? What if you mother had a heart attack but the ambulance couldn't get there?

Public safety demands there be some sort of rules to protesting.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
So will the bunch of Einsteins posting in this thread tell me how organizing a demo is not blocking the traffic?

In the US there are typically designated protesting areas where people can hold their rallies, where the people can see their signs & hear their chanting, but where the protesters won't disrupt emergency services.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
And if you're going to complain about the odd senior who dies of an heart attack because every two years a demo delays an ambulance by 2 min, why don't you bring the issue of all poor people who can't even afford healthcare? The order of magnitude between the two is so huge, it's ridiculous.

I believe France has an excellent system of public healthcare so that shouldn't be an issue.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Oerdin


If they block roads so that emergency vehicles cannot reach their destination then they are creating a danger to the general public. How would you like it if you house was on fire but the fire trucks couldn't get there because of these protesters? What if you mother had a heart attack but the ambulance couldn't get there?

Public safety demands there be some sort of rules to protesting.

In cities, the syndicates (or associations of some kind) organizing the demonstration must declare the intended protest to the Prefet; it can be authorized as declared, authorized with changes (regarding date or hour or path). or forbidden. The path is strictly controled for public safety reasons; and secondly for public security reason (protests around Palais de l'Elysées would never be authorized).
This procedure makes possible to inform the public services of the protests, and it also guarantee the syndicates that the police will protect the protest (from counter protests) up to coordination of the police action with syndicates security services.

[DinoDoc]

Can we stop taking the wannabe Frenchman seriously now?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
So will the bunch of Einsteins posting in this thread tell me how organizing a demo is not blocking the traffic?

Plenty of demostrations don't block traffic. They get permits from the city, and perhaps certain detours are set up depending on the size. Why does traffic has to be blocked in order to have a protest?

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can we stop taking the wannabe Frenchman seriously now?

How would you stop, you never started!

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Oerdin


In the US there are typically designated protesting areas where people can hold their rallies, where the people can see their signs & hear their chanting, but where the protesters won't disrupt emergency services.

And that's why it sucks, it's like you can demonstrate but I'll hold your hand with a baton above your head.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can we stop taking the wannabe Frenchman seriously now?

Brilliant, as usual.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Plenty of demostrations don't block traffic. They get permits from the city, and perhaps certain detours are set up depending on the size. Why does traffic has to be blocked in order to have a protest?

What I mean is that a large demonstration will necessarily be diverting traffic, permit or not.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
What I mean is that a large demonstration will necessarily be diverting traffic, permit or not.

And without permit, it's illegal.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
How would you stop, you never started!

fakeboris pretended as if he knew what he was talking about and I believed him.