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  • #16
    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    In areas of free speech, we most certainly are freer than Europe.
    True, though most of it is a remnant of WWII.

    On the other hand, we see gays as equall [strike]partners[/strike] peolpe.
    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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    • #17
      Canada > US = Europe
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #18
        yes, europe is one big blob
        CSPA

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        • #19
          ohh

          CSPA

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          • #20
            germany isn't

            when will they let nazis run around proudly again.

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            • #21
              BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #22
                I agree with Spiffor.
                Best regards,

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                • #23
                  The huge panic attack after 9/11 seems to have hit US liberty quite hard in a self inflicted way. They just completely lost the plot in a ridiculous overreaction, symbolised by the "war" on terrorism, whereas Europe has been dealing with terrorism for decades without too much disruption of individual freedom.

                  The freest countries I know are Britain Australia Canada and New Zealand. There's a lot fear in US society from what I've seen of it. Daily life is full of fear and anxiety in a way not true in those countries. Our practical levels of freedom, like freedom from fear, are much higher.

                  Continental Western Europe handled 9/11 much better and I would rate them 2nd after the "Anglosphere". What exactly was so special about 9/11 when you compare with say IRA or ETA bombings in Europe has never really been clear to me.
                  Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                  Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                  • #24
                    We each have different freedoms.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
                      The huge panic attack after 9/11 seems to have hit US liberty quite hard in a self inflicted way. They just completely lost the plot in a ridiculous overreaction, symbolised by the "war" on terrorism, whereas Europe has been dealing with terrorism for decades without too much disruption of individual freedom.

                      The freest countries I know are Britain Australia Canada and New Zealand. There's a lot fear in US society from what I've seen of it. Daily life is full of fear and anxiety in a way not true in those countries. Our practical levels of freedom, like freedom from fear, are much higher.

                      Continental Western Europe handled 9/11 much better and I would rate them 2nd after the "Anglosphere". What exactly was so special about 9/11 when you compare with say IRA or ETA bombings in Europe has never really been clear to me.
                      specifics?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4733820.stm
                        Oh, that is one incident...and that whole holocaust denial is a bizarre Germanic law. And the headscarves thing is French...they are particularly specific examples. Now what about extraordinary rendition and Guantanamo as counterexamples them? You see, as Che has just said, they are all different...
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Geronimo


                          specifics?
                          two US "freedoms" undermine all the others - unfettered freedom of speech and the right to bear arms.
                          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                          • #28
                            Daily life is full of fear and anxiety in a way not true in those countries.
                            Roo? Specifics?
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #29
                              No.
                              Blah

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


                                two US "freedoms" undermine all the others - unfettered freedom of speech and the right to bear arms.
                                I meant which freedoms has the overreaction to terrorism removed that are still enjoyed elsewhere?

                                But for the record, how on earth are any of my "freedoms" (much less all of them!) undermined by unfettered freedom of speech?

                                I suppose I also doubt that the right to bear arms takes any freedoms away either but that's a right i'm quite indifferent about.

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