Sunnis Hit After Shiite Shrine Blast

[Shi Huangdi]

I don't think it's fair to call the Iraqis "morons" or "crazies" because the Shiites are outraged over this. I don't think the Jews would be too happy if someone blew up the Wailing Wall, or that Christians would be too happy if someone blew up the Shrine of the Holy Sephulcre.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

yeah, but if say a protestant burned some old saints bones in San Juan de Compostella, do you think catholics would riot, shoot three protestant priests, and attack 11 protestant churches?

maybe 300 years ago.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
1€ says it's been destroyed, rebuilt, and renovated quite a few times since.

More then likely. They sure as hell didn't have rebar and concrete in 944.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
the kurds should cut an run and make their own state northern iraq. they're the only ones who arnt downright crazy.

Agreed but they won't because they've promised the US, Turkey, Syria, and Iran that they wouldn't try it. Further more the US and UK have told them they won't get any help if they do try while the Turks and Iranians have said they'd invade before they ever let an indepedent Kurdistan get started. They'd both suffer big irridentist movents from Kurds who'd want to join Kurdistan instead of continuing to be under foreign domination.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Oerdin


More then likely. They sure as hell didn't have rebar and concrete in 944.

Concrete yes, rebar no

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
yeah, but if say a protestant burned some old saints bones in San Juan de Compostella, do you think catholics would riot, shoot three protestant priests, and attack 11 protestant churches?

maybe 300 years ago.

If say, we had just ended a period of violent and brutal supression of Catholics by Protestants in this country, the Catholics had recently gained control, and there was a brutal Protestant insurrection which had killed many Catholics, and it was St.Patricks Cathedral that got hit, then yes I can see that kind of a reaction.

[Dinner]

They had concrete which was used as mortar but not the modern pored in place stuff which makes up the whole building. That type of concrete and agragete mix is fairly modern, or at least I'd bet.

[DaShi]

These poor people never get a break, do they?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

If say, we had just ended a period of violent and brutal supression of Catholics by Protestants in this country, the Catholics had recently gained control, and there was a brutal Protestant insurrection which had killed many Catholics, and it was St.Patricks Cathedral that got hit, then yes I can see that kind of a reaction.

I don't believe the anti-catholic feeling in the US during the 18th and 19th centuries (much less the 20th century) could be charactorized as violent and brutal. The government remained tolerant and protective of religious minorities throughout virtually all of the nation's histories and any violence was localized and minor instead of the systematic pogrom you are implying.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
If say, we had just ended a period of violent and brutal supression of Catholics by Protestants in this country, the Catholics had recently gained control, and there was a brutal Protestant insurrection which had killed many Catholics, and it was St.Patricks Cathedral that got hit, then yes I can see that kind of a reaction.

This would be more like Protestants blowing up the Vatican.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DaShi
These poor people never get a break, do they?

It is sad that the Sunnis seem to hate the Shia so much. The reality is 90% of the religion is shared by both but they've been at each other through most of their histories. The sunnis, who were traditionally dominant, of course have victimized the Shi'a far more then the opposite. In fact groups like Al Qaeda are strictly Sunni groups which see Shi'a as heritics who should be killed or converted (of course after the Jews, Christians, Hindus, and everyone else but they're still on the list). They mostly attack shi'as in Iraq in the hopes of starting a civil war believing, rightly in my opinion, that a failed state will be a good place for Al Qaeda to opporate.

Bush and the people who supported him may yet give Al Qaeda exactly what they want.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


This would be more like Protestants blowing up the Vatican.

Nah, Samarra is third tier behind the other holy cities like Najaf and Karbala. The Imam Ali mosque is far more holy.

[KrazyHorse]

Even for Shi'a?

[StarLightDeath]

No point crying like a cowardly ***** now because the natives won't play by your stupid rules.

Yes, no need to be like the English.

[Dinner]

Imam Ali, the nephew of Mohammed, is the the first Shi'a Imam and is regarded as the founded of Shiaism and the one true heir of the prophet. He died fighting Sunnis near Karbala and his shrine is located in the city of Karbala making it the holiest city next to Mecca for Shias. Each of the 12 Shia Imam's (all of whom claimed to be direct male heirs of Mohammed and all of whom were full of crap especially since Mohammed never had a son) are the equivalent of saints and Popes combined for Shias. The twelth Shia Imam was the last ones of Ali's line as Sunnis and Shia pretenders killed all the male family members. There is a myth that the 13th Imam, a mythical son of the 12th Imam, who is called "the hidden Imam, will one day return to restore the line of the Imam's decided from Mohammed. Again this is bull**** since even Ali admitted he was Mohammeds nephew and not his son though the Shia claim Mohammed adopted Ali as his heir before he died but forgot to tell people about it.