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We're bastards for taking Hussein out. Never mind it's 12 years overdue. Bastards for staying there. Pussies if we leave.
WTF do you want? I'm sure Bush asks that every day.
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No, you're idiots for taking Saddam out and not expecting what you got. It's called thinking about the consequences of your actions. Might just as well say "Bush hasn't been doing great on economic matters, time for communism!"
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Originally posted by alva
That would fun wouldn't, just for kicks.
Just to see the reaction that would spark.
Saddam free - sunnis dig up their old baath membership cards.
Kurds declares their own state and ten minutes later the first turkish tanks crosses the border.
Shiites gets nervvous and starts an attack at sunnis - iran of course supports it with a little military assistance. After beating the sunnis they just stay around to keep things calm while the place is turned into an islamic state.
Bush don't like this and starts a war against iran.
Yup, that could be fun
Well, guess that they will forget about those mohammed drawings
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Originally posted by SlowwHand
We're bastards for taking Hussein out. Never mind it's 12 years overdue. Bastards for staying there. Pussies if we leave.
WTF do you want? I'm sure Bush asks that every day.
Taking him out without a coherent plan for the aftermath was poor policy. HAVING DONE THAT, however, pulling out and allowing the country to fall into civil war is irresponsible.
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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
You miss the point. Bush Sr blew it off. Clinton blew it off, FOR 8 YEARS.
Anyway, Hussein's gone. Give them their piece of crap land and move on to Iran..or Syria.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
Um, no. You miss the point. Our government chose to pursue a policy of "regime change" in Iraq. The Coalition (of the willing!), as the occupying power, became responsible for that change. It's not "regime removal" Sloww. It's regime change. They had elections, which is great, but they've yet to properly form the new government. Even once they form the government, if we pull out and the country collapses, how the in the **** does that serve our interests?
How does a "failed state" in Iraq improve U.S. national security, Sloww?
Sloww - I'm curious how you think the situation would be different if Clinton decided to invade in, say, 1996 (or pick any other year you like).
"The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
"you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident
Essentially, the Bush Admin wanted it both ways: regime change (the bit where the most powerful military in the world makes mincemeat out of a 3rd world army) without nation building (the messy bit afterwards). I think many Americans who supported the war thought that way too.
BTW I've seen this "golden mosque" from the outside and I wasn't to impressed. It looked gaudy and not to well put together. The spiral minaret of Samarra was more impressive but still didn't look like it amounted to any great wonder. Certainly the pyramids of Egypt or Mexico were greater and built long before though I guess if you have nothing else then you play up what you do have.
Originally posted by SlowwHand
Screw this. Time to get the hell out of dodge.
These people insist on being morons. They can do that without us.
It's not a jihad agains us. It's a jihad against against common sense.
You wanted to take Saddam out and now you've got to take responsibility for the mess your policies have caused...
No point crying like a cowardly ***** now because the natives won't play by your stupid rules.
Sorry, but you're going to have to suck it up until what will be the Iranian backed Iraqi govt can look after itself - whenever that may be...
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