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Peak oil is about production rates, not the total amount of oil. when half the oil in the world has ben extracted production rates will plateau for a few years and then start to decline.
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I dont understand why production rates will plateau when half of the worlds oil has been extracted?"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini -
There are also people who claim the earth is flat. So what?Originally posted by KrazyHorse
According to these nutters it does.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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in fact, the only reason why production would slow down or plateau is if demand decreased (because prices are too high and there are cheaper substitutes)"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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For what it's worth, the UK recently became a net importer of oil for the first time since 1979 (a huge reason why the Thatcherite govt is wrongly credit with some fantastic notion about kickstarting an economic miracle or some other BS according to loonies like PA...
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IIRC we were something like the 5th biggest oil producer in the world in 1985, but now it has peaked and perhaps future generations will accuse the government for using it too quickly...
Peak Oil means different things to different people, however the concept that oil production will peak and tail off remains a valid one as it is a finite resource.
The question is how quickly we can wean ourselves off oil and onto other sources of energy, and whether that disrupts the global economy and the planet as a whole.Comment
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Asher made pretty good arguments against that book.
The one book I think should be taken seriously by people is the "Twilight in the Desert" by Matthew Simmons. The refusal by OPEC to make their reserve and production numbers is disturbing.
One trend about the world oil reserve number is that OPEC's reserve is steadily increasing, while EVERYONE else's, including Russia's, reserves are declining. I find that hard to believe.Last edited by One_more_turn; February 17, 2006, 13:43.Comment
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that Kuwait has pumped more oil than it has left in proven reserves, don't quote me on that though...
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Ethanol is produced industrially by reacting steam with ethene, and this is definately not biologically produced...
Mind you, ethene is produced from cracking the longer carbon chain hydrocarbons, which are produced from crude oil...You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.Comment
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Cool. I didn't know that.Originally posted by Krill
Ethanol is produced industrially by reacting steam with ethene, and this is definately not biologically produced...
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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I read that some of the older Saudi oil fields are peaking right now.Originally posted by One_more_turn
Asher made pretty good arguments against that book.
The one book I think should be taken seriously by people is the "Twilight in the Desert" by Matthew Simmons. The refusal by OPEC to make their reserve and production numbers is disturbing.
One trend about the world oil reserve number is that OPEC's reserve is steadily increasing, while EVERYONE else's, including Russia's, reserves are declining. I find that hard to believe.Comment
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Not at all. Until the mid 90's most of the OPEC countries outlawed foreign investment then when they're reserves started to not grow very fast they began to cut deals with the international oil companies to get the latest technologies in exchange for a (very small) cut of the oil resources. The result has been that many OPEC nations which had using 30 year old technology got a shot fo the latest technology and were better able to figure out where the oil was, how it was behaving, and exactly how much of it there was.Originally posted by One_more_turn
Asher made pretty good arguments against that book.
The one book I think should be taken seriously by people is the "Twilight in the Desert" by Matthew Simmons. The refusal by OPEC to make their reserve and production numbers is disturbing.
One trend about the world oil reserve number is that OPEC's reserve is steadily increasing, while EVERYONE else's, including Russia's, reserves are declining. I find that hard to believe.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Yeah, that's kind of wierd to me as well. Why would people suddenly stop pumping oil because we've gone past some 'halfway' point (though you have to be specific... there is a halfway point of easily obtained oil, and then there is a halfway point of oil which are more difficult to extract.. and with technology advances, who knows what that is)? Who really knows how much oil is under the permafrost of Siberia, or in oil shales around the world, or still in wells thought to be dry?Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
I dont understand why production rates will plateau when half of the worlds oil has been extracted?
And of course the idea of a catastrophe is kind of ridiculous.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Are you trying to imply that all ethanol is, in effect, only to be derived from crude oil?Originally posted by Krill
Ethanol is produced industrially by reacting steam with ethene, and this is definately not biologically produced...
Mind you, ethene is produced from cracking the longer carbon chain hydrocarbons, which are produced from crude oil...
Because that might be the indication you are giving Last Conformist, and one which would be patently false...Comment
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I do happen to be aware of yeast ...
Doing some swift research it seems most industrial ethanol is indeed derived abiotically from fossil sources (crude oil and natural gas), but exceptions aren't hard to find - the Brazilians and their sugarcane-powered buses, frex.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Indeed, but it is laughable everyone holding up sugar cane, palm oil etc as green alternatives to powering cars considering the footprint required to harvest all those crops - just ask Indonesia about its National Parks...
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There are loads of viable alternatives to continuing to use hydrocarbons seemingly at all costs - frankly even if you are skeptical about man's effect on global warming, or even if global warming is occuring (to which I would have to call you a total and utter ****ing ******), it stuns me that no one is applying the precautionary principle towards our global energy generation...
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