Danish embassy invaded - Part II

[Daz]

The cartoons scandal is showing (again) the true face of islam, and a large part of the muslim community.

It show a troubling disregard for human life against religious beliefs. And as Pekka said, we are all being hold hostage for stating our opinion. I know they see it as an insult, but a lot of people get insulted every day and dont go slaughtering other (innocent) folks.

They dont see this as an insult by an idividual, but as an insult from the whole christian world, which shows that they have not really accepted the fact that there are other religions in the world, and that islam is just an option.

This is what scares me, and I think that a big religious war is inevitable.... Long term of course.

[Pekka]

Right. Because there will be people who do these things in the future as well, even if we don't want it, it'll happen. The consequences are that all of us are being targetted for murder, no less, by extremists. It is important that no one gets isolated in this alone. The solution is not to be apologist, the solution is to bring the people of faith close to us, and separate the extremists. I don't want to be held as a hostage for what someone else did, legally. It is not us who need to change, it is the extremists. And as we know, they can't be changed. So it is pointless to bend over.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Daz
The cartoons scandal is showing (again) the true face of islam, and a large part of the muslim community.

A few days ago, I was reading a French Muslim forum, and I stumbled on this interesting post:

"Suppose that the Algerian press runs a story about pedophilia in France every day, and for a long duration. After some months, you can bet that my Algerians uncles and cousins will be sure that pedophilia is par for the course in France, and that pretty much everybody in France is a pedophile."

I found the comparison to be most excellent.

[Pekka]

Spiffor, that's pretty good, except that they'd have to make up those news.

But I know what you mean, and it's other than that, a sound comparison.

People start thinking all people of faith are like extremists, because that's all we hear, extremists this and that...

[Gangerolf]

Are there hundreds of pedophiles running around in French streets, throwing rocks at aid workers and torching embassies?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
Spiffor, that's pretty good, except that they'd have to make up those news.

Oh, not quite. France is a big country, and sadly there are very frequent smallscale pedophilia cases occuring somewhere. The French press covers big cases (networks), which are already fairly frequent, but at least they don't have the "ZOMFG The French are like that" stigma attached.

If a foreign press made a point at largely covering everything pedophilia-related in my country, the French would quickly have a reputation of pedophiles. Kinda like the reputation of antisemites we enjoy in Israel and the US.

[Daz]

Originally posted by Spiffor

A few days ago, I was reading a French Muslim forum, and I stumbled on this interesting post:

"Suppose that the Algerian press runs a story about pedophilia in France every day, and for a long duration. After some months, you can bet that my Algerians uncles and cousins will be sure that pedophilia is par for the course in France, and that pretty much everybody in France is a pedophile."

I found the comparison to be most excellent.

So you say I have a wrong picture of muslims, and that the LARGE majority of them is behaving like civilized earthlings?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Are there hundreds of pedophiles running around in French streets, throwing rocks at aid workers and torching embassies?

I'd prefer the pedophiles to throw rocks, than raping children.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Daz
So you say I have a wrong picture of muslims, and that the LARGE majority of them is behaving like civilized earthlings?

Yes. You'll notice that the embassy-torchings generally involved only a few thousands of protestors. In Lebanon, the demo was originally planned to be peaceful, before a minority of the demonstrators started a riot. Many people in Lebanon think it was a political manipulation from Syria, in order to intimidate. You'll also notice that the other embassy-torching occured in Syria.

You also don't hear of the peaceful demonstrations, that occur in most Muslim countries, and that occur in several European countries with a large Muslim population.

Edit: don't get me wrong: I disapprove of these demos just like I'd disapprove of any demo that goes contrary to my agenda (anti-abortion demos, anti-gay-marriage demos etc.). However, the large majority of the demos are civilized, which is something worth reminding, apparently.

[Pekka]

You forget one thing Spiffie.. France is a real pedophile infested country and everyone does know this fact. It's a fact.

[Daz]

Yea, but fact is that buildings are being burned and people are being killed.

Every now and then we hear of tourist buses and hotels being blown to pieces. Why. Cause theire not muslims... Now how can this be going on for so many years if the majority of people isnt supporting them (one way or another...)?

I'm just saying that islam is the least tolerant religion of all, and that it is becoming "troublesome"

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
You forget one thing Spiffie.. France is a real pedophile infested country and everyone does know this fact. It's a fact.

Says the Finn

[Pekka]

We have no pedophile question. You have. FACT.

[Ming]

Enough with the threadjack... stick to the topic.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Seeker
Ecthy, Speech is Speech is Speech.

The subject matter of someone's opinions is totally irrelevant to their right to express them. As long as people aren't posting addresses and saying kill this man it is a free speech issue, and if you goddamned blindly obedient krauts haven't learned that yet you never will.

Freedom is a 100% matter, Fred Phelps, Larry Flint, even the American Nazi Party. It's 100% or it's not real freedom. Freedom to say what you want is one of the few values that everyone should be willing to die for. I guess this is just where America outshines the Hun.

My point wasn't with their right to express things, it was rather with my judgement of it.

Unless it deals with the holocaust. Us Germans must be teh anal with ze holocaust.