US bombs Pakistan

[joncha]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
What innocent people? Non-combatants, yes. Innocent? I doubt it.

Just as innocent as the people in the World Trade Centre. They knew they were at the financial heart of the Great Evil. They had a choice too.

Che the jingoist

[germanos]

che: get off those hormone pills, they ain't doing you good

[techumseh]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
What innocent people? Non-combatants, yes. Innocent? I doubt it.

[Sava]

I'm with chegitz on this one...

it sucks that non-combantants got killed (I'm hesitant to use the word innocent)... but these people are the ones that are hiding Al Qaeda remnants, supporting the Taliban, and probably hiding bin Laden...

it wouldn't surprise me if they saw the jets, then rushed children into the building just to get killed...

this is not like the War in Iraq... these people in the Afghan/Pakistani border region are harboring terrorists... they are the ones who attacked America on 9-11...

I feel sad that children died, but it's not America's fault that these people are hiding terrorists where children sleep...

it's just like putting a military target next to a school or hospital and hoping the bombs hit the schools so you can say how evil your enemy is... "ZOMFG THEY ARE TARGETING SCHOOLS"

Musharaf is actually sounding pretty reasonable... I think he realizes that if Pakistan chooses the route of fundamentalism, being a nuclear power, it will mean bad things for his country... especially with the proximity of terrorists (Afghan/Pakistan border region).

[Asher]

Originally posted by techumseh

Sometimes I feel like smacking people like you. And I'm against the war on Iraq...

But this self-righteous ignorance-is-bliss attitude is just aggravating.

[Hueij]

it wouldn't surprise me if they saw the jets, then rushed children into the building just to get killed...

Ah, you assuming something leads to:

these people in the Afghan/Pakistani border region are harboring terrorists... they are the ones who attacked America on 9-11... I feel sad that children died, but it's not America's fault that these people are hiding terrorists where children sleep...

Why don't you just nuke them and get it over with?

And America is wondering why more and more people consider it the outcast of the world...

[germanos]

Originally posted by Sava
it wouldn't surprise me if they saw the jets, then rushed children into the building just to get killed...

[Pekka]

germanos, I don't think that's even too unreasonable. Terrorists don't mind their children getting killed, that's a fact right there. If they did, they'd stay the hell out of their places, and not hide behind them. Clearly their missions are more important than their children to terrorists.

And as it is, they will benefit from this kind of bad press, so I don't see any reason why they wouldn't try doing it, in theory that is, and that's why I don't think it's unreasonable ... way of wording, even though it would never happen.

[Berzerker]

Yeah, it sucks the info was wrong and we killed non-combatants. Someone should get in trouble for that. But don't act like we have no biz bombing these ****ers.

Besides, the quake didn't kill nearly enough. We're just doing the Lord's work..

What innocent people? Non-combatants, yes. Innocent? I doubt it.

You sound like Ward Churchill

[Sava]

Originally posted by Hueij


And America is wondering why more and more people consider it the outcast of the world...

If it's just ignorant America hating morons that are blind to what is really going on in that part of the world... then I don't care what those people think.

and remember, I'm a liberal who is a against the war in Iraq

and you are horribly naive if you don't think that those people would not rush their own children back into those houses just to get their dead bodies on the news to try and get more hatred against America...

in their minds, their children are martyrs, dying for Islam... helping their cause...

maybe if you understood the enemy that America was up against, you would really cut us some more slack...

or maybe it would take some of your countrymen getting slaughtered in a terrorist attack for you to understand... one would hope that the victims of terrorism would not have to be from your country for you to care more about them... but honestly, people really do care more about their own kind, even if they say they care about all people.

or do you think that America deserved 9-11?

I sure hope not... but it wouldn't surprise me based upon your ignorant comments

[Berzerker]

if they have the guy's DNA, why dont they just clone him and then wait a few years for the clone to develop psycihic powers and tell us where he is? It would probably be faster...

Anyway, innocent people die in war. Thats why war sucks and so do those who fabricate reasons to wage wars. You got a shot at a baddie, take it.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Pekka
germanos, I don't think that's even too unreasonable. Terrorists don't mind their children getting killed, that's a fact right there. If they did, they'd stay the hell out of their places, and not hide behind them. Clearly their missions are more important than their children to terrorists.

And as it is, they will benefit from this kind of bad press, so I don't see any reason why they wouldn't try doing it, in theory that is, and that's why I don't think it's unreasonable ... way of wording, even though it would never happen.

Pekka: what a load of BS.
Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions.
Then drawing conclusion from them.

There is in no way established that terrorists were in or near the buildings destroyed, so the whole argument is irrevelent.

Terrorists don't mind their children getting killed, that's a fact right there. If they did, they'd stay the hell out of their places, and not hide behind them.

Now, bring up one source where it is proven that terrorist were found hiding behind their children. You know, like a pic of terrorists using them as a shield, or some gore pic of them lying dead among their kin.

[DinoDoc]

Al-Zawahiri Skipped Dinner Invite

(CBS/AP) Al Qaeda's No. 2 leader was invited to a dinner marking an Islamic festival on the night of the devastating U.S. missile strike in a Pakistani border village, but did not show up, Pakistani intelligence officials said Sunday.

Ayman al-Zawahiri sent some of his aides instead, and investigators are trying to establish if any of them were among the at least 17 people killed in the attack, which has caused outrage in Pakistan and a second day of anti-US protests.

Some 10,000 people rallied in Karachi, Pakistan's biggest city, chanting “Death to America” and “Stop bombing against innocent people.” Hundreds massed in the capital, Islamabad, and in Lahore, Multan and Peshawar burning U.S. flags and demanding the withdrawal of U.S. troops from neighboring Afghanistan.

The U.S. government has yet to formally comment on the air strike, but Sen. John McCain and other U.S. lawmakers defended it Sunday.

“This war on terror has no boundaries,” McCain, who challenged President Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, told CBS’s Face the Nation. “We have to go where these people are, and we have to take them out.”

Pakistan is a key U.S. ally in the war on terror but doesn't allow American forces on its soil. On Saturday, the government lodged a diplomatic protest and condemned the attack, saying it had killed innocent civilians.

In a sign of the mistrust that exists between the allies, two top officials, one from Pakistan's powerful military, the other from the civilian government, said Sunday that it was only told by U.S. officials about the air strike after it happened. Neither official wanted to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Many in this nation of 150 million people oppose the government's ties with Washington and there is increasing frustration over a recent series of suspected U.S. attacks along the rugged frontier aimed at militants.

U.S. Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh said the problem is that the Pakistani government does not control the border region where Osama bin Laden and al-Zawahiri have been believed to be hiding for the past four years, since the U.S.-led military ouster of the Taliban for hosting al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

“It's a regrettable situation, but what else are we supposed to do?” Bayh, who serves on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told CNN. “The Pakistani border is a real problem.”

Two Pakistani intelligence officials said that al-Zawahiri, who has a wife from a local tribe, had been invited to a dinner in Damadola village to mark last week's Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, but apparently changed his mind. One of the officials said al-Zawahiri had sent some aides instead and investigators were trying to determine whether they had been in any of the three houses that were destroyed in the air strike.

The officials both spoke on condition of anonymity because they aren't authorized to speak to journalists. They said their information was from Pakistan's own security agencies and intelligence shared by the CIA after the attack.

The second intelligence official said that 12 bodies, including seven foreigners, had been taken from the village, which lies about four miles from Afghanistan. He said the bodies were reclaimed by other militants, although another Pakistani official told AP on Saturday that some were taken away for DNA tests.

It wasn't immediately possible to reconcile the conflicting accounts, which reflect widespread confusion over the attack and the refusal of the government to comment on the details of what happened. Residents of Damadola say that no militants were staying in the village and all the dead were local people.

The senior government official said Pakistan had been investigating rumors that al-Zawahiri had in recent months visited the tribal region of Bajur where Damadola is located, a tip gleaned from the interrogation of Abu Farraj al-Libbi, a senior al Qaeda figure arrested in a northwestern Pakistan town in May.

Al-Libbi is accused of masterminding two assassination attempts on Pakistan's President Gen. Pervez Musharraf in December 2003 that killed 17 other people. He was interrogated in Pakistan and later handed over to the United States.

Curse Zawahiri and his bad manners! Once you accept a dinner invite, you should make every effort to be there and maybe bring a dish of your own to be a good guest.

[Pekka]

And as it is, they will benefit from this kind of bad press, so I don't see any reason why they wouldn't try doing it, in theory that is, and that's why I don't think it's unreasonable

No sir, it is you who is full of animal kaka!

[Sava]

Pekka