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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ecthy
    We've had one before, and he didn't die or suffer from a stroke in office.
    Who?

    Note that Sharon's in his late seventies. Bismarck stopped at 75, Kohl at 68.

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    • #17
      Konrad Adenauer, 1876-1967, Chancellor 1949-63. Resigned at the age of 87.

      Oh and Winston Churchill, 1874-1965, Prime Minister 1940-45 & 1951-55. Resigned at the age of 80.

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      • #18
        87? Wow.

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        • #19
          OK, Adenauer wasn't fat and I was presuming Kohl made it into his 70s before leaving office.

          Bismarck qualifies for obese anyway. At least in higher age he was, so his doctor advised him a fish diet. Hence Bismarck herring.

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          • #20
            So that's not lots of people saying "Herr Bismarck" then?
            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sandman
              Obese septugenarians are not suitable prime minister material. End of story.
              Carl Gustav Mannerheim, stopped being President of Finland aged 79 - not sure about his being obese though
              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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              • #22
                Petain was old.


                But, he was also French.

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                • #23
                  Does Kadima's softer support come from Labor or Likud?
                  "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                  -Bokonon

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ramo
                    Does Kadima's softer support come from Labor or Likud?
                    an excellent question, which one of our Israeli friends will need to answer. However im not sure its that simple - some of the voters who moved from Likud to Kadima are, IIUC, working class Sephardim (jews of middle eastern and North african origin), who arent wild about Netanyahu's "neo liberal" record as finance minister. While it was easier for them to leave Likud to go to Sharon, Peretz, the new Labour leader, who has reemphasized the social agenda and was born in Morocco, could appeal to them. Peretz will have to show his firmness on security to win them over, though.
                    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                    • #25
                      I disagreed with Sharons policies through the 80s and 90s. While I dont think he was a war criminal, his negligence contributed to the tragedy of Sabra and Shatilla, and the invasion of Lebanon was itself a mistake, as was his support for aggressive settlement activity in subsequent years.

                      However when, after decaded in public life, he became PM, in some of he most trying times for Israel, he saw farther than most. He recognized the new situation pragmatically, and while exerting a firmness that offended some, he was far more moderate in his actions during the 2nd intifada than many called for. When a partner for peace stood up, in the shape of Abbas, even a dreadfully imperfect partner, he met the test and reached out. He climbed down from the stance of decades and accepted in principle a Palestinian state, and the need to give up much of the occupied territories. Like Disraeli, he educated his party (or much of it, at any rate) He finally took the step of risking his political career, and even his life (when that looked more likely to be shot down by an assasins bullet than by a stroke) to withdraw from Gaza. He then started an earthquake in Israeli party politics, one which will likely continue whether he lives or dies.

                      The glory is not in having never sinned, but in having sinned and changed.

                      I deeply hope this man lives, and guides his people to the promised land of peace. If not, if he must part with us on the far bank of the Jordan (!!!!), we will never forget him.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #26
                        Why are we worried about the Jews anyway? It is only a matter of time until the Arab nuke them into the fate that Hitler planned for them in the first place.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by lord of the mark
                          I disagreed with Sharons policies through the 80s and 90s. While I dont think he was a war criminal, his negligence contributed to the tragedy of Sabra and Shatilla, and the invasion of Lebanon was itself a mistake, as was his support for aggressive settlement activity in subsequent years.

                          However when, after decaded in public life, he became PM, in some of he most trying times for Israel, he saw farther than most. He recognized the new situation pragmatically, and while exerting a firmness that offended some, he was far more moderate in his actions during the 2nd intifada than many called for. When a partner for peace stood up, in the shape of Abbas, even a dreadfully imperfect partner, he met the test and reached out. He climbed down from the stance of decades and accepted in principle a Palestinian state, and the need to give up much of the occupied territories. Like Disraeli, he educated his party (or much of it, at any rate) He finally took the step of risking his political career, and even his life (when that looked more likely to be shot down by an assasins bullet than by a stroke) to withdraw from Gaza. He then started an earthquake in Israeli party politics, one which will likely continue whether he lives or dies.

                          The glory is not in having never sinned, but in having sinned and changed.

                          I deeply hope this man lives, and guides his people to the promised land of peace. If not, if he must part with us on the far bank of the Jordan (!!!!), we will never forget him.
                          Pretty much agree with you there...
                          Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Capt Dizle
                            Why are we worried about the Jews anyway? It is only a matter of time until the Arab nuke them into the fate that Hitler planned for them in the first place.
                            And the Hi, Please Ban Me! award goes to...
                            ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by joncha


                              And the Hi, Please Ban Me! award goes to...
                              Oh, kiss my butt. Please tell me that I am wrong. We all know that the majority of Arabs want to bleed every drop of Jewish blood and then piss on it.

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                              • #30
                                Congratulations!

                                For managing to be both anti-Semetic and anti-Arab in a single post, YOUR_WINNER!!1
                                ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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