Pentagon strike.

[Ecthy]

He did a better job in one post than all conspiracy theorists (including Serb and VJ) did in 1,000 websites, posts and videos. Serb VJ

Velo: what's the matter with the truck thing? Sounds like it's the press that fvcked up, seeking hot news on a day of great sensations. Why tapes were confiscated doesn't matter because you don't need them.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Velociryx


* the official story is that the plane hit the gound before it reached the pentagon, and then ploughed into the building...

* ... I just find it curious that the tapes were recovered with the speed and precision of a sting operation

* When the story first broke, the word was that it was a truck with a bomb that hit the Pentagon. Some 30 minutes after this report was issued, it was rescinded and the plane took center stage....

-=Vel=-

1: From what I understand: it bounced on the ground first. Not plowed through.

2: I would expect the security services of the Ministry of Defence to have just THAT speed of operation if they are to have any competence.

3: FIRST story. First official story as well? I was happily doing my own business that day, so I didn't sit glued to the telly that day, but IIRC the truck-bomb was a first MEDIA story.
Take any report at face-value, especialy when it's 'breaking news'.


In NL we had also a plane crashing into a big building (an El Al 747) but so far I haven't found any good pics on the net. Maybe the old books will provide some source of information...
IIRC not much of the plane survived, and the collapsed section had roughly the same size as the one in the pentagon.

[Capt Dizle]

Well, Vel, come up a "theory" then that explains it all. Do you really think that the admin staged these attacks to provoke public opinion so that a war with Iraq would be possible? And do you think it was all a scheme by Texas oilmen? And what connection do you make between this and JFK's death?

Gee.

[Serb]

Originally posted by VJ
Ok, enough with the personal crap and pointless sarcasm, here's my take on the story:

The problem really isn't with the light damage inflicted to Pentagon building, it's a military building and 757 is a civilian airplane. The main problem is that there isn't really enough crap on the ground and in the building for the plane to be a 757.

Agreed. What I'am absolutely sure now is that they hid something.

There probably isn't any elaborate goverment conspiracies behind this,

It's likely. But in this case, I don't understand why they keep denying obvious things. Is it to cover their own f*ck-up during 9-11?

since the goverment has nothing to gain by crashing it's own buildings.

Not exactly. It's already proven that at least one government in recent human history destroyed their own very importent building to get some support from the public. I can't deny this possibility as well.
Yep, I'm crazy, sue me.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Serb
Not exactly. It's already proven that at least one government in recent human history destroyed their own very importent building to get some support from the public. I can't deny this possibility as well.
Yep, I'm crazy, sue me.

If you are referring to the German Reichstag, then your comparisson is invalid.

sued

[Serb]

So those were dirty commies, right?
Thanks, it's just like what I thought.

[Capt Dizle]

Yeah, and FDR baited the Japanese into attacking Pearl so that he could get support for war against Germany.

I wish you folks would understand that its just not possible for things like this to be hushed up. Nixon couldn't even burgal the DNC and Clinton couldn't even get a blow job without it coming out.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Serb
So those were dirty commies, right?
Thanks, it's just like what I thought.

Serb, you shouldn't listen to uncle Adolf

[Serb]

Originally posted by Capt Dizle
Yeah, and FDR baited the Japanese into attacking Pearl so that he could get support for war against Germany.

I wish you folks would understand that its just not possible for things like this to be hushed up. Nixon couldn't even burgal the DNC

Are you sure that Nixon has been impeached because of this?

and Clinton couldn't even get a blow job without it coming out.

And what Clinton did to drow away the public opinion? He started to bomb the Belgrade, thus killing thousands.

[Serb]

Originally posted by germanos


Serb, you shouldn't listen to uncle Adolf

Those were Dr. Guebels's stories, actually.
And he is the last person on this planet whom I trust (even king George-II beats him).

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Serb
And what Clinton did to drow away the public opinion? He started to bomb the Belgrade, thus killing thousands.

You what? It is not on him to blame if noone asks for his sexy stories, it's the media's fault if they LET themselves get diverted.

[techumseh]

Let's separate the 'what happened' from the 'why it happened'. First, was it a Boeing 757 or something else? Then, if it wasn't, why did they tell us it was?

Here's a question. If it wasn't the Boeing, then what happened to that flight? Where are all the people on it, because they're gone!

[Serb]

Originally posted by germanos


1: From what I understand: it bounced on the ground first. Not plowed through.

1) Not according to the ONLY video we have.
2) Not according to plenty of photos we have, which clearly shows that there are no traces of the initial imact and that objects, such as contractor's trailer, the generator, the fence, etc, survived the crash undamaged. That is not the case if Boeing would really hit the Pentagon.
3) Not according to the damge the "plane" inflicted on building.

2: I would expect the security services of the Ministry of Defence to have just THAT speed of operation if they are to have any competence.

Well, if they possess such a lightspeed to confiscate all tapes after minutes after the impact, then why they didn't do so at NYC? I've seen the the second strike on WTC and later collapse of both of the WTC towers live on Russian TV, being thousands miles away from US.
Why FBI didn't confiscate those tapes and didn't prevent TV-people from shooting WTC in New-York, if it was so important to to keep this information in secret.
If they were so fast to get the tapes in Washington, why they weren't so fast in NY?

3: FIRST story. First official story as well? I was happily doing my own business that day, so I didn't sit glued to the telly that day, but IIRC the truck-bomb was a first MEDIA story.
Take any report at face-value, especialy when it's 'breaking news'.

That's irrelevant, imho. This could be indeed a f*ck-up of the local media.

In NL we had also a plane crashing into a big building (an El Al 747) but so far I haven't found any good pics on the net. Maybe the old books will provide some source of information...
IIRC not much of the plane survived, and the collapsed section had roughly the same size as the one in the pentagon.

PLEASE provide us some info about another dissapeared Boeing.

[Serb]

Originally posted by techumseh
Let's separate the 'what happened' from the 'why it happened'. First, was it a Boeing 757 or something else? Then, if it wasn't, why did they tell us it was?

They hid something.

Here's a question. If it wasn't the Boeing, then what happened to that flight? Where are all the people on it, because they're gone!

It's really a piece of cake for FBI and CIA to give those people a new life, if those people existed at the first place, of course.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Serb

... if those people existed at the first place, of course...

talking about conspiracies