Pentagon strike.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by MosesPresley
Serb these people believe that the buildings were brought down in under two hours by the intense heat from quick burning jet fuel, but they also believe this same intense heat allowed a passport from one of the hijackers to magically survive the blast and be found quickly amongst several acres of rubble by the authorities. The black boxes supposedly didn't survive the fire, but the passport did. Talk about ludicrous beliefs.

It was an explosion, things tend to not be very uniform in explosions for some reason. It's like the way you can find uncharred bits of paper remains after setting off a firecracker even though much of the fire cracker is converted to ash.

In the case of the exploding planes hitting the WTC, you can actaully see a cloud of non burning debris thrown away from the explosion in footage of the impact. It makes sense that a dense heavy item like the blackbox would get carried by it's forward momentum into the building while many light easily lofted items would have been immediately blasted clear of the fireball.

[Tattila the Hun]

Originally posted by siron


Serb's link makes clear that the Bush Administration had something to hide. Mebbe it was a warning shot by some ETs? Who knows? The exopolitical backgrounds of 911 and iraq are not well understood. I recommend this here for a first read:

http://www.exopolitics.org/SP-2-intro.htm

Wow...

[Thoth]

Originally posted by siron


Serb's link makes clear that the Bush Administration had something to hide. Mebbe it was a warning shot by some ETs? Who knows? The exopolitical backgrounds of 911 and iraq are not well understood. I recommend this here for a first read:

http://www.exopolitics.org/SP-2-intro.htm

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by Geronimo


It was an explosion, things tend to not be very uniform in explosions for some reason. It's like the way you can find uncharred bits of paper remains after setting off a firecracker even though much of the fire cracker is converted to ash.

In the case of the exploding planes hitting the WTC, you can actaully see a cloud of non burning debris thrown away from the explosion in footage of the impact. It makes sense that a dense heavy item like the blackbox would get carried by it's forward momentum into the building while many light easily lofted items would have been immediately blasted clear of the fireball.

The passport would have been on the hijackers person. Very unlikely that it wouldn't have burned up with him. The papers that were thrown out of the building when the plane hit would have been office papers. But let's say you are right. How would you go about finding a lone passport (the next day iirc) in several acres of rubble? Oh yes, that's right, magical serendipity!

This is on a different note, but related. Would someone explain to me how the jet fuel which would have burned up completely almost instantly was responsible for the temperatures necessary for the theory that the fire brought down the towers. Keep in mind that these are the only skyscrapers to ever have collapsed as the result of a fire in history. And yeah I know they were hit by large jets, but the buildings survived the initial impacts quite well.

[loinburger]

This is one of the best Poly-esque threads I've seen in awhile.

Poster A: "I say that thus-and-such is true, and I have a flash movie to support my position!"

Poster B: "I say that thus-and-such is false, and I have a link to support my position!"

Poster A: "Only a complete moron would disagree with me, and I don't argue with complete morons. "

[Dis]

isn't that how most of our debates go?

[MosesPresley]

Link/Counter-Link will settle the question once and for all.

[mrmitchell]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Conservatives should come up with their own list of crazy conspiracy theories too to counter all the equally loony liberal ones:

They're way ahead of you.

- France was behind the 9/11 attacks

Shortly after the attacks, Falwell said 9/11 was God's wrath on us for homosexuals and feminists. In addition the same nuts have been saying France has constantly supported [flavor of the week OMFGTERRORIST].

- The homosexual agenda includes: making the NFL go all nude, converting all churches into dance clubs and turkish baths, inserting the "gay gene" into unborn babies to homosexualize the whole country, and replacing baseball with our new national passtime: sweating to the oldies.

Someone around probably believes this.

- John Kerry is really a robot

That's what they made us think of Al Gore too...

- Hillary Clinton has a secret baby killing factory in her basement

With all the nuts out there who believe the Clintons orchestrated so many murders, theyd probably swear to this too

- Saddam had weapons of mass destruction

hahahah

- Those pictures of flag draped coffins are doctored photos the media made up, there are no american casualties

I have seen at least one webpage where a guy claims they are pictures from an earlier era. He might have been talking about a different set of pics too

- Bush is actually really intelligent

Now, come on. No one is that gullible.

- Affirmative action is just a plot to get more democrats in power

I had a teacher who said that

- The evil, liberal media and the national weather service lied about the potential risk of hurricane katrina to confuse and embarass the president

Did you see the NWS bulletins the day before the hurricane? It's still on one of the threads here. I don't think you could find any source that minimized the impact of Katrina before it hit.

- 9/11 is punishment from God for allowing homosexuality

As I said, Jerry Falwell

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia


The plane is travelling at over 500 mph. It's not going to look like a Boeing on a crappy video camera!

Oh, really? So according your logic Ferrary traveling at 200mph looks pretty much the same as heavy truck traveling at the same speed?
Leaving aside all wreckage inaccuracies, the thing which hits Pentagon on this video is certainly MUCH smaller than Boeing. And it flew PARALLEL to the ground.
Do you realize that :
a) Boeing it's a heavy plane and it needs ****load of space for such maneouvres? I really don't think there was enough of empty space around the Pentagon for Boeing to low down, make its nose parallel to the horizon and hit the building at zero angle. Boeing do not possess the maneuverability of jet-fighter or cruise missile.

b) when such big plane as Boeing goes down it makes ****load of noise? That noise is VERY LOUD and usually drives people's attention and therefore there should be thousands of eyewitneses of the impact?

[DinoDoc]

How much do you offer on the bridge I own?

[Serb]

A half of my own bridge will be fine barter, I think.

[Frozzy]

a) that Boeing it's a heavy plane and it needs ****load of space for such maneouvres? I really don't think there was enough of empty space around the Pentagon for Boeing to low down, make its nose parallel to the horizon and hit the building at zero angle. Boeing do not possess the maneuverability of jet-fighter or cruise missile.

It does if it bounces off the ground.

b) when such big plane as Boeing goes down it makes ****load of noise? That noise is VERY LOUD and usually drives people's attention and therefore there should be thousands of eyewitneses of the impact.

Not if the plane stalls (as it wil) when decending that quickly. The engines will cut out.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kalius


It does if it bounces off the ground.

Oh, boy. WE HAVE A VIDEO EVIDENCE HERE. When plane bounces off the ground it doesn't fly like this - not so high, not so fast, and doesn't shrink in size.
Besides, where is the site of the initial impact then? The grass near the building magically survived.

Not if the plane stalls (as it wil) when decending that quickly. The engines will cut out.

Bullsh!t. Such heavy plane as Boeing cannot perform a landing manoeuvre and hit the building at zero angle with its engines being completely cut out. Not to mention that there was no enough free space for such manoeuvre (ok, it's only my guess, I don't have a map of the area, but something tells me there should be buildings and other obstacles somewhere in 1 km radius around the Pentagon). And not to mention the qualification of the pilots was pretty low at best, since they never flew Boeing before.

[Frozzy]

Oh, boy. WE HAVE A VIDEO EVIDENCE HERE. When plane bounces off the ground it doesn't fly like this - not so high, not so fast, and doesn't shrink in size.
Besides, where is the site of the initial impact then? The grass near the building magically survived.

Doesn't seem like the grass magically survived LOOK! PICTORIAL EVIDENCE!



Like I said, it didn't fly laterallyt for a period of time. The investigation suggests that it bounced on the lawn and helipad infront:

The plane banked sharply and came in so low that it clipped light poles. It slammed into the side of the Pentagon at an estimated 350 miles per hour after first hitting the helipad. The plane penetrated the outer three rings of the building.

[Serb]

So, where is your PICTORIAL EVIDENCE?
I can't see it.