No Habla Espanol

[Dis]

I'm against bilingual education. But as long as it's not during actual classroom time, the students should be able to speak whatever they want. Freedom of speech and all that. Yes I know schools have severe restrictions on freedoms. But those are usually for safety reasons. There is no good reason to restrict this kind of speech at school.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Arrian
First off, the whole "don't speak Spanish here!" thing is, to me, an overreach by the school. Don't speak spanish IN CLASS, fine. Don't speak the language at all on school grounds? Bull****.
-Arrian

Muslims are supposed to pray multiple times per day where they repeat a ritual prayer in Arabic. I could easily see this English only law running foul of freedom of religion. When I went to high school there was a Saudi kid who did this and even walked around with his pray rug in hand. He once got in trouble for leaving a class to go pray but he was told that he could pray during the passing periods or lunch break and he seemed fine with it. You'd see him on his pray rug doing the cow-tow but no one bothered him.

A very large percentage of students and teachers were bilingual since I live in a major immigration area but everyone spoke English in class. Outside of class you were free to speak what ever language you choose but you knew many of the teachers were multi lingual and even if the teacher didn't know what was said multiple students around you would and people were honest (and trusted the teachers enough) to tell if something bad was occuring. It was common to hear English, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, Persian, Vietnamese, Hindi, and occasionally other Asian languages during lunch break. Wasn't a problem since there was always someone to translate or the speaker would repeat what he said in English if a nonspeaker of the language in question was present.

Everyone just took it for granted that English was the common language but since so many people came from other countries and English was either a second language or was not spoken at home we ended up with a tower of babel. English was the unifying force tough and everyone spoke it.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Japher


A private conversation at a public school? What if he was saying "do you want to shot the teacher today or tomorrow"?

Thats retarded.

[Japher]

it's why we can't speak other languages here (at Poly)

and I think public schools have more problems then this site

[Richelieu]

Over here the kid would have been taken to the back of the school and shot.

[Japher]

damn Mexicans

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Richelieu
Over here the kid would have been taken to the back of the school and shot.

Because he wasn't speaking Freedom?

[Imran Siddiqui]

WTF?! Stupid school system. Talking in another language in a private conversation should not be punished! Especially if it's "no problema", which even the dopiest only-English speakers can figure out.

Pah... idiots!

And yeah it violates his civil rights... his right to freedom of speech is curtailed since he cannot engage in a private conversation in another language in the hallways of the school! The school needs a damned good reason to ban this and there isn't one.

[Japher]

so I can go into an airport and talk about making bombs and blowing up people and when I get pulled into security and made to miss flight I can sue for freedom of speech? I doubt it.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Japher
it's why we can't speak other languages here (at Poly)

You haven't seen the threads in Norwegian, have you?



...I sure hope the kid doesn't have to do a report on Los Angeles or Nevada, or Colorado or California or rodeos or lassos. My God, those are Spanish words!!

Me? I think I'll go take a siesta.

[Japher]

think I'll go take a siesta

ban him!!!!!!!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Japher
so I can go into an airport and talk about making bombs and blowing up people and when I get pulled into security and made to miss flight I can sue for freedom of speech? I doubt it.

That is akin to this how? Talking about bombs and blowing up people is a national security issue. That's a good reason to detain you when you say such things. It is a 'compelling governmental interest' to protect national security and pulling you into security for saying you are going to blow up people is 'narrow tailored' to advance that interest.

Think for a second. This is a GOVERNMENT school. It'd be like a city saying you can't speak Spanish in town limits.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Japher
so I can go into an airport and talk about making bombs and blowing up people and when I get pulled into security and made to miss flight I can sue for freedom of speech? I doubt it.

WTF? In what bizzaro world is this equivalent to what went on in this school in Kansas?

-Arrian

[Japher]

That is akin to this how?

The teacher doesn't know what they are saying.

It's more akin to the kid speaking in some made up langauge the kids use, and the teachers telling them not to use it at school, and the kids keep using it.

Think for a second. This is a GOVERNMENT school. It'd be like a city saying you can't speak Spanish in town limits.

Is it? The government discriminates against non-english speakers all the time. In order to work in an FDA regualted industry you must understand all documented procedures. most of those are in English, including the document that that rule is written in.

[Japher]

WTF? In what bizzaro world is this equivalent to what went on in this school in Kansas?

Because freedom of speech doesn't protect what you say. Seeing that none of the teachers who are responsible for the safety of the children of the school seem to understand what the kid is saying it is well within their rights to require the kid to refrain from using spanish, less he be saying something that would get him suspended.

Calling the teacher a pendejo (meaning an idiot) would certainly get you in trouble. Yet, how can this teacher know they are being called an arsehole if they don't understand spanish?

It creates room for insubordination by playing off the teacher’s ignorance.