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    Spanish at school translates to suspension
    Controversy caused by Kansas City incident reflects national debate
    By T.R. Reid

    Updated: 12:31 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2005
    KANSAS CITY, Kan. - Most of the time, 16-year-old Zach Rubio converses in clear, unaccented American teen-speak, a form of English in which the three most common words are "like," "whatever" and "totally." But Zach is also fluent in his dad's native language, Spanish -- and that's what got him suspended from school.

    "It was, like, totally not in the classroom," the high school junior said, recalling the infraction. "We were in the, like, hall or whatever, on restroom break. This kid I know, he's like, 'Me prestas un dolar?' ['Will you lend me a dollar?'] Well, he asked in Spanish; it just seemed natural to answer that way. So I'm like, 'No problema.' "

    But that conversation turned out to be a big problem for the staff at the Endeavor Alternative School, a small public high school in an ethnically mixed blue-collar neighborhood. A teacher who overheard the two boys sent Zach to the office, where Principal Jennifer Watts ordered him to call his father and leave the school.
    Watts, whom students describe as a disciplinarian, said she can't discuss the case. But in a written "discipline referral" explaining her decision to suspend Zach for 1 1/2 days, she noted: "This is not the first time we have [asked] Zach and others to not speak Spanish at school."

    Since then, the suspension of Zach Rubio has become the talk of the town in both English and Spanish newspapers and radio shows. The school district has officially rescinded his punishment and said that speaking a foreign language is not grounds for suspension. Meanwhile, the Rubio family has retained a lawyer, who says a civil rights lawsuit may be in the offing.

    National debate
    The tension here surrounding that brief exchange in a high school hall reflects a broader national debate over the language Americans should speak amid a wave of Hispanic immigration.

    The National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, says that 20 percent of the U.S. school-age population is Latino. For half of those Latino students, the native language is Spanish.

    Conflicts are bursting out nationwide over bilingual education, "English-only" laws, Spanish-language publications and advertising, and other linguistic collisions. Language concerns have been a key aspect of the growing political movement to reduce immigration.

    "There's a lot of backlash against the increasing Hispanic population," said D.C. school board member Victor A. Reinoso. "We've seen some of it in the D.C. schools. You see it in some cities, where people complain that their tax money shouldn't be used to print public notices in Spanish. And there have been cases where schools want to ban foreign languages."

    Some advocates of an English-only policy in U.S. schools say that it is particularly important for students from immigrant families to use the nation's dominant language.

    California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) made that point this summer when he vetoed a bill authorizing various academic subjects to be tested in Spanish in the state's public schools. "As an immigrant," the Austrian-born governor said, "I know the importance of mastering English as quickly and as comprehensively as possible."

    Hispanic groups generally agree with that, but they emphasize the value of a multilingual citizenry. "A fully bilingual young man like Zach Rubio should be considered an asset to the community," said Janet Murguia, national president of La Raza.

    Broad influence
    The influx of immigrants has reached every corner of the country -- even here in Kansas City, which is about as far as a U.S. town can be from a border. Along Southwest Boulevard, a main street through some of the older neighborhoods, there are blocks where almost every shop and restaurant has signs written in Spanish.

    "Most people, they don't care where you're from," said Zach's father, Lorenzo Rubio, a native of Veracruz, Mexico, who has lived in Kansas City for a quarter-century. "But sometimes, when they hear my accent, I get this, sort of, 'Why don't you go back home?' "

    Rubio, a U.S. citizen, credits U.S. immigration law for his decision to fight his son's suspension.

    "You can't just walk in and become a citizen," he said. "They make you take this government test. I studied for that test, and I learned that in America, they can't punish you unless you violate a written policy."

    Rubio said he remembered that lesson on Nov. 28, when he received a call from Endeavor Alternative saying his son had been suspended.

    "So I went to the principal and said, 'My son, he's not suspended for fighting, right? He's not suspended for disrespecting anyone. He's suspended for speaking Spanish in the hall?' So I asked her to show me the written policy about that. But they didn't have" one.

    Rubio then called the superintendent of the Turner Unified School District, which operates the school. The district immediately rescinded Zach's suspension, local media reported. The superintendent did not respond to several requests to comment for this article.

    Since then, the issue of speaking Spanish in the hall has not been raised at the school, Zach said. "I know it would be, like, disruptive if I answered in Spanish in the classroom. I totally don't do that. But outside of class now, the teachers are like, 'Whatever.' "

    For Zach's father, and for the Hispanic organizations that have expressed concern, the suspension is not a closed case. "Obviously they've violated his civil rights," said Chuck Chionuma, a lawyer in Kansas City, Mo., who is representing the Rubio family. "We're studying what form of legal redress will correct the situation."

    Said Rubio: "I'm mainly doing this for other Mexican families, where the legal status is kind of shaky and they are afraid to speak up. Punished for speaking Spanish? Somebody has to stand up and say: This is wrong."
    My problem:

    a) The kid was warned, did the father make a stink over this before the suspension, or did he wait?

    b) Assimilation is a must when moving to any foreign country. If the school he is going to says speak english, what's the problem? Why stir the waters? The kid was being defiant, not only speaking spanish.

    I am against bilingual education, and I am against kids speaking spanish in a school where no one else understand what they are saying.

    What say you?
    Monkey!!!

  • #2
    KANSAS CITY, Kan. - Most of the time, 16-year-old Zach Rubio converses in clear, unaccented American teen-speak, a form of English in which the three most common words are "like," "whatever" and "totally." But Zach is also fluent in his dad's native language, Spanish -- and that's what got him suspended from school.

    "It was, like, totally not in the classroom," the high school junior said, recalling the infraction. "We were in the, like, hall or whatever, on restroom break. This kid I know, he's like, 'Me prestas un dolar?' ['Will you lend me a dollar?'] Well, he asked in Spanish; it just seemed natural to answer that way. So I'm like, 'No problema.' "
    Private conversation between two individuals, it's not like he was adressing the teacher in Spanish and presumed he would understand what he said... If he's speaking the truth, I don't understand what the problem is. Of course people living in US should be able to speak English, but are they now forbidden from learning any other languages?

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    • #3
      "This is not the first time we have [asked] Zach and others to not speak Spanish at school."
      A private conversation at a public school? What if he was saying "do you want to shot the teacher today or tomorrow"?
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        WTF! Look, I'm all for integration, but this wasn't in the classroom. This is just bull****, as far as I can see.

        Hell, in my school I'd have been commended for speaking some Spanish - my Spanish teach would've loved it

        I use "no problema" and "gracias" at work, for goodness sake!

        -Arrian

        edit: ah, I see. ****in' Kansas
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

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        • #5
          bilingualism is good

          There there are millions of people who speak the national language + the local dialect (often barely intellegible with the national langauge) + english + another european language.

          I live next to Paraguay and everybody there speaks both Spanish and Guarani fluently.

          The kid speaks english, he did nothing wrong, he didnt speak spanish in the classroom.
          I need a foot massage

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          • #6
            Punishing kids for being multilingual??

            Punishing someone for saying 'No problema' ??

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            • #7
              I see Kansas is in the news for being backwards bumpkins again.
              Last edited by Dinner; December 9, 2005, 13:34.
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              • #8
                Is he getting punished for speaking spanish? No.

                He's being punished for not listening to his superiors who told him not to speak spanish.

                Why he isn't allowed to speak spanish is beyond me, but is a matter for the schools to decide. At least before a court does.

                Question; how does this violate his civil rights?
                Monkey!!!

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                • #9
                  On the plus side, if kids speaking Spanish is the worst problem that teachers have to deal with (in respect of discipline) its a very lucky school.
                  One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                  • #10
                    I'd say "no problema" is as much an English phrase as it is a Spanish phrase. It's been on more TV shows then I can recall and it isn't like even the most backwards redneck is going to not see the connection between "no problem" and "no problema". Hell, Bart Simpson has been saying this on national TV for the last 15 years or so.

                    Granted, I speak decent Spanish and live in a multicultural state but this just strikes me as stupid.
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                    • #11
                      First off, the whole "don't speak Spanish here!" thing is, to me, an overreach by the school. Don't speak spanish IN CLASS, fine. Don't speak the language at all on school grounds? Bull****.

                      So my main objection is the rule itself. However, they chose to apply the rule as broadly as they could (I wonder, perhaps, if it was stretched just a tad b/c they'd labelled this kid a trouble-maker) and suspend the kid for it. That's just more idiocy.

                      So, in short: ****in' Kansas

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Zkribbler
                        Punishing kids for being multilingual??

                        Punishing someone for saying 'No problema' ??
                        Haven't you seen the memo? Multiligualism is for librul elitists who hate America and love terrorism. Just like teaching Evolution and telling kids about birth control.

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                        • #13
                          Ah, the true [s]face[/s] ass of USA freedom of speech. I think that USA must be expelled from UN council for enforcing it's own language as international by discriminative means! :P

                          Similar cases happened in Israel. If parents were smart enough they sued the ****ing teacher untill loss of teaching license and even paying compensations.
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                          My literacy level are appalling.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arrian

                            So my main objection is the rule itself. However, they chose to apply the rule as broadly as they could (I wonder, perhaps, if it was stretched just a tad b/c they'd labelled this kid a trouble-maker) and suspend the kid for it. That's just more idiocy.

                            So, in short: ****in' Kansas

                            -Arrian
                            I wouldn't be suprised if there was some racism involved as well.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by muxec
                              Ah, the true [s]face[/s] ass of USA freedom of speech. I think that USA must be expelled from UN council for enforcing it's own language as international by discriminative means! :P

                              Similar cases happened in Israel. If parents were smart enough they sued the ****ing teacher untill loss of teaching license and even paying compensations.
                              Even a left of center person like me can't help but give a big to that bunch of ignorant tripe. Seriously.
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