"The War on Christmas"

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Isn't this essentially a nonissue?

The government can only really ban christmas desplays on its own property can't it? It can't stop a private business or citizen from being in a christmas spirit.

I don't see how this will stop Christmas lovers from running around screaming merry christmas at the top of their lungs.

According to O'Reilly and his ilk, the evil "secular progressives" are forcing stores such as Sears to wish their customers "Happy Holiday" instead of "Merry Christmas." Once Christman is done away with, they will force gay marriage on us and pornography on our children.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Sandman
What's silly is that several popular Christmas carols contain no mention of Christmas whatsoever. Why isn't there a campaign to stamp out 'Jingle Bells', 'Frosty the Snowman' or 'Walking in a Winter Wonderland'?

Instead they should play "White Christmas" written by, er, Irving Berlin

[Provost Harrison]

I am surprised no one has made the 'what has Dauphin done wrong now?' comment...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Pardon - Are you saying Cotton Mather WAS poor, weak, and unlearned, and contemporary fundies are too, or that Cotton Mather didnt want Christians to be seen as poor weak and unlearned, and neither do the fundies?

No.

I'm saying he said that's how other people described the Christians.

What the Puritans of yesteryear have in common with many of today's fundies:

"Lewd sons and servants...[must be brought] ...to the means and outward conformity, to submit themselves both to the public worship of the Sabbath and private duties in the family; so was Cain himself so long in Adam's house."

Thomas Taylor, 'Works' p. 119

and

[...Make your family]..."at least visible saints, that is apparently religious, though perhaps secret hypocrites."

Daniel Cawdrey, 'Family Reformation Promoted' publ. 1656

and:

...[The ungodly multitude]... "will not be persuaded to be at so much pains for salvation as to perform the common outward duties of religion."

Richard Baxter 'The Saints' Everlasting Rest' publ. 1651, Part III

In New England:

"...hypocrites give God part of His due, the ouward man"

and so are:

"serviceable and useful in their callings."

John Cotton (1584-1652) quoted in

Perry Miller's 'The New England Mind: From Colony to Province' Harvard University Press, publ. 1953

So now we know where Falwell, Bakker, Swaggart and Robertson get some of their inspiration from...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DanS
Not in most areas of the country.

Most defined by land area or most defined by population. There is a difference. The ten percent of the land where 50% of our population lives is considerably more diverse than the other 90% of the land.

WTF is wrong with wishing someone Happy Holidays? Why do you have to be an ******* to Jews, atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, etc.? Why are right ring-evangelicals such jerks?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Why are right-wing evangelicals such jerks?

So it's down to nature versus nurture again.




I noticed today quite a few (visibly) Muslim women loaded down with Christmas shopping.

My friend Shirin's children get Easter eggs, Christmas presents and fun stuff at Hallowe'en and fireworks on November 5th.

She has no problem wishing people a 'Happy Christmas', but that doesn't mean she has to celebrate the Christian feast day imposed on the pagan festival.

My friend Melissa on the other hand was a J.W. who didn't celebrate birthdays, holy days, or anything of the sort, but was still a real gone gal nonetheless.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Sandman
What's silly is that several popular Christmas carols contain no mention of Christmas whatsoever. Why isn't there a campaign to stamp out 'Jingle Bells', 'Frosty the Snowman' or 'Walking in a Winter Wonderland'?

Not to mention: 'Carol of the Olde Ones', 'O Cthulu', and 'It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Fishmen'.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Why do you have to be an ******* to Jews, atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, etc.?

Are they offended by Christmas?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Are they offended by Christmas?

Atheists are offended by EVERYTHING.


We are soulless godless materialist liberal humanist communist neofascist pornographers who eat small children cooked in pork fat and impose Harry Potter witchcraft lessons on preschoolers who are compelled to watch documentaries on Robert Mapplethorpe and the Rolling Stones whilst listening to 50 Cent and doing the hand jive before they have to walk back to their single parent dole scrounging council estate home, past the Church of Little Baby Cheeses which they scrawl all over with their Satanist tags...


...sorry, just channeling Philosophiser for a moment.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
WTF is wrong with wishing someone Happy Holidays? Why do you have to be an ******* to Jews, atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, etc.? Why are right ring-evangelicals such jerks?

This atheist is offended by Happy Holidays, not Merry Christmas.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by molly bloom
...sorry, just channeling Philosophiser for a moment.

Not enough hellfire or condemnations. But amusing nonetheless.

[korn469]

Well I'm an atheist, but I believe that Christmas is a commercial holiday that has little to do with religion. Happy Holidays is just too pc for me, so Merry Christmas everyone!

[MrFun]

I don't understand why some people would be offended by either -- Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas.

I'm a Chrisian, and I would not be offended if someone greeted me with goodwill by saying Happy Kwanzaa or Happy Hannukah. They mean only goodwill, after all. That is for the same reason why I wonder about others' professing offense at the greeting, Merry Christmas if they do not happen to be Christian.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Like Christians aren't going to spend in similar numbers in Walmart and Target?

These are few fundy wackos... who probably don't spend much in the first placec.

Walmart and Target will win, and I'm glad. Screw those moron fundies! Be tolerant. Acceptance and tolerance of other faiths

Only a true protestant realizes that tolerance is wrong. Tolerance is the path to acceptance. If you tolerate since then you accept sin, and that is wrong in the eyes of the lord.

As for this War on Christmas thing. I don't get it. Are they upset that Happy Holidays is inclusive of other religions, and they're not getting special treatment?

[Ming]

An interesting video... Maybe somebody has posted it already, but it is fuuny and appropriate for this thread...

http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.html