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  • #1

    Condi can go and stuff it

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301476.html


    Masri was held for five months largely because the head of the CIA's Counterterrorist Center's al Qaeda unit "believed he was someone else," one former CIA official said. "She didn't really know. She just had a hunch."
    Masri said his cell in Afghanistan was cold, dirty and in a cellar, with no light and one dirty cover for warmth. The first night he said he was kicked and beaten and warned by an interrogator: "You are here in a country where no one knows about you, in a country where there is no law. If you die, we will bury you, and no one will know."
    At the CIA, the question was: Now what? Some officials wanted to go directly to the German government; others did not. Someone suggested a reverse rendition: Return Masri to Macedonia and release him. "There wouldn't be a trace. No airplane tickets. Nothing. No one would believe him," one former official said. "There would be a bump in the press, but then it would be over."
    On the day of his release, the prison's director, who Masri believed was an American, told Masri that he had been held because he "had a suspicious name," Masri said in an interview.

    Several intelligence and diplomatic officials said Macedonia did not want the CIA to bring Masri back inside the country, so the agency arranged for him to be flown to Albania. Masri said he was taken to a narrow country road at dusk. When they let him off, "They asked me not to look back when I started walking," Masri said. "I was afraid they would shoot me in the back."
    Rice response to Europe? "Hush, keep quiet you!"

    The cynical manner CIA and the American administration disregards due process of law and the basic rights of a defendant is disgusting. Moreover so that it does not even feel inclined to show the slightest bit of regret about it. Rice can go to hell, and along with her any European gov't official that has been cooperating in downplaying the issue.

    If this is war is about defending liberty and democracy, we have already lost it.
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  • #2
    Rice response to Europe? "Hush, keep quiet you!"


    You really expected anything else?

    Condi can go and stuff it

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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    • #3
      Why do I have a hard time believing her...?

      Has anyone asked her to define "torture"? I suspect the US admin is working under a different definition than most...
      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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      • #4
        Originally posted by alva
        Rice response to Europe? "Hush, keep quiet you!"


        You really expected anything else?
        Well yeah, considering the haughty and crude manner the Bush administration treated European grieves in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, I did expect them to react more respectfully. Instead they once again barf we should shut up for the sake of good relations. If they're serious about good relations they maybe should think twice before they unlawfully nab a European citizen and treat him the way they did.

        Maybe someone would care to remind Rice that we've been having a European Convention of Human Rights and associated Court that has been guarding human rights and liberaties on this continent for over half a century already? We're not talking about some shred of paper you can ignore on technicalities, we're talking about a foundation of post-WW2 Europe.
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        • #5
          Does this mark a new position? Esp. since it does not use "torture" (which then would be have to defined) but the more general "harsh interrogation".

          Rice says harsh interrogation banned

          US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has sought to clarify American policy on harsh interrogation methods, saying no US personnel may use cruel or degrading practices at home or abroad. The statements on policy followed pressure from Berlin, where reports of covert CIA flights and secret prisons in Europe have caused a political storm. On Tuesday Rice held talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel amid revelations that a Lebanese-born German citizen was wrongfully imprisoned and tortured by the CIA at a secret jail in Afghanistan. The US Secretary of State left Ukraine Wednesday for Brussels, the final leg of a European tour.
          from: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/function/0...ten-435-rdf-mp
          Blah

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wezil
            Has anyone asked her to define "torture"? I suspect the US admin is working under a different definition than most...
            I might be wrong, but I think the working definition of torture that the administration is using is basically anything that leaves a mark. Thus, beating is out, but water torture and mock executions and sexual humiliation are in.
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            • #7
              Rice response to Europe? "Hush, keep quiet you!"
              I don't think Rice pulled a Chirac. If you think she has, I'd like to see a quote.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Mind me translating diplo-speak? At least Chirac was straight-forward about it.
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                • #9
                  I just think it's unfair to ascribe something to Rice that she has not said.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    I think it's entirely fair to put into plain words the message that's been implied. I don't think anyone around here has been under the impression she literally said that.
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                    • #11
                      Stuffed Condi
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        I think it's entirely fair to put into plain words the message that's been implied.
                        Basically, you are assuming that Bush said to Condi: "Tell them to hush, keep quiet you!" Condi then translated that into diplospeak and your Universal Translator was able to recreate the original message.

                        I think that's a bad assumption. You haven't even quoted a word she actually said.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DanS


                          Basically, you are assuming that Bush said to Condi: "Tell them to hush, keep quiet you!" Condi then translated that into diplospeak and your Universal Translator was able to recreate the original message.

                          I think that's a bad assumption. You haven't even quoted a word she actually said.
                          I can't interpret Condi's statements, but you can interpret mine?

                          I'm sorry Dan, but I'm not going to get dragged in some discussion on technicalities in this issue.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Colon
                            I can't interpret Condi's statements, but you can interpret mine?

                            I'm sorry Dan, but I'm not going to get dragged in some discussion on technicalities in this issue.
                            Hey, if you want to start a tabloid called The Daily Colon, then be my guest.

                            If you actually want to discuss the subject of what Condi thinks and says, then it seems important at a basic level to discuss what she actually says, no?
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #15
                              The Daily Colon


                              Well done, Dan.

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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