Why Protestant and Jewish Families Rule the Earth

[Philosophiser]

And now I'll be on my way. Be good kids while I'm gone, ya hear?

[Elok]

Oh, you've promised that before. Prove it, scram.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Philosophiser


You have failed to prove the reliability of radiometric dating.

Well, that's not what I have been doing. I don't need to prove something that is already proven to be true. For example, I don't need to prove that 2+2=4.

All I am doing is attempting to educate you.

And clearly I have failed.

You should take a trip to the Grand Canyon. It's a wonderful experience. You can see with your own eyes evidence of the Earth's old age.



You see those lines in the canyon walls? As the Colorado River slowly eroded the canyon over time, layers of Earth have been exposed. The lower you go, the older the layers. Near the very top are layers from around 10,000 years ago, from when "young Earth" crackpots say we were created.

Go down farther into the canyon and you will find layers from millions of years ago. It truly is an amazing sight to behold.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Philosophiser
2) the dishonesty of [...] who have an agenda and try to squeeze and contort the facts to make it work in their favor (which really is just human nature to an extent)

The irony is so exhilerating! This guy is killing me!

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Elok
Oh boy, more Bulverism! My turn:

You argue because you have secret, repressed sexual urges to be dominated (albeit in a logical rather than physical sense). For clear "proof," you even talk dirty ("filthy, filthy idolater!"), and openly get off on ideas of spanking--er, smiting.

Elok wins the thread

[Odin]

Originally posted by Philosophiser

2) the dishonesty of scientists who have an agenda and try to squeeze and contort the facts to make it work in their favor

[Sava]

I'm wonder if Phil will say the Grand Canyon was built by atheists to falsify evidence of the Earth's age.

[Elok]

No, the GC is clear evidence for his side. It's the scar left by Satan as he got slammed to the earth. He left different-colored striations as succeeding layers of his flesh rubbed against the ground.

[Sava]

okay...

what about plate tectonics?

[Elok]

Satan's trying really hard to get free. Shifting the earth's surface around and everything. See, Sava, you can't win.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Odin
Anyone who thinks 85% of scientists are atheists and thinks radioisotopic dating is unreliable has no brain.

the Noah story is a rip-off from a Sumerian legend that originated from a rapid rise in the level of the Black Sea when water from the Mediterranean burst though the Bosphorus 7000 years ago. The Cain and Able story is a mythologization of ther comflict between early farmers and hunter-gatherers. The banishment from Eden is a mythologization the desertification of the the Sahara and Arabia 6000 years ago that pushed semetic-speaking peoples into the fertile cresent, flaming sword = expanding deserts.

The problem is the ages are too old for believable sources of inspiration. 7 kya is an over-optimistic reading. 7-9 kya is when the deep waters would have become anoxic, stopping decay of key organics, about 2 ky after the basic filled. 9-11 kya is when the water levels would have equalized, and it may have taken centuries for the basin to fill. Desertification of Sahara was closer to 10-12 kya, not sure about Arabia and other parts of NME.

Neither Cain nor Able were hunter-gatherer prototypes. Cain was at oldest/ most-primitive/ least-settled a nomadic herder prototype, which requires animal domestication. However, there is nothing in the story to indicate that Cain was nomadic before the murder, so the story doesn't model the supposed conflict very well.

Also, the Black Sea thesis doesn't explain the flood mythology of peoples who were never in the Black Sea region, including the Sumerians and North Semitic peoples in the two cases typically examined. Those NME peoples may have been in contact with the Black Sea region by trade, but others certainly were not.

There isn't a shred of textual evidence that either geological event is connected in any way, nor the hunter-gatherer conflict (at most one word that could be tied to nomadic life in the aftermath). They are just ideas from people who want the stories to be explained in an anthropological context as desperately as the young-earthers want a dogmatic 6k age.

Don't put your faith in either.

[Flip McWho]

Aye, its all very interesting perspectives. Its good to open your mind to these things. Obviously something that philosophiser would find incredibly hard.

But anyways, what a thoroughly entertaining thread.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Elok
Satan's trying really hard to get free. Shifting the earth's surface around and everything. See, Sava, you can't win.

[Nostromo]

Please to meet you
Hope you guess my name

[Philosophiser]

This is ridiculous. I have never seen such puerile arguments raised against Christianity. First as I said in the previous thread (or was it this one? can't remember)- I am quite open to the view that the earth was created over billions of years. This is not a problem, and no reputable biblical scholar would say it is a problem. I am simply trying to demonstrate that there are alternative explanations for the phenomenon of the creation. Do I personally ascribe to 6 literal 24 hour creation days? I have no strenuous opinion on the matter. Augustine himself interpreted it figuratively, ever mindful of the passage "a day to God is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day"- in other words- when God speaks in days, esp at the dawn of the universe, it does not necessarily mean days in the sense we mere humans understand it. Many great Calvinist preachers likewise held to old earth and old universe views.

One honestly has very little time for this silliness. But your nonsense had to be responded to one last time before I go for the week.