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  • #46
    Opposed to the death penalty except in the most heinous case like these. He is/was the equivalent of a domestic terrorist and deserves the same punishment as someone like McVeigh.

    Also, he "redeemed" yet continues to claim his innocence, has really offered no specific apology or conciliatory statements towards the victims of the crime? What's he redeemed from then?
    "Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
      I would like to find out more about this anamoly.


      Make it so!

      While I'm on my away-mission, make sure no one takes over my quarters back on the ship.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #48
        One point I would say is sometimes innocent people get put to death

        Tookie, if indeed guilty did just that

        I know sometimes Police "generate" evidence

        I also know its easy to say this was the founder of the Crips and he is a bad man s it might make it easier to "fabricate" evidence

        BUT

        the best we have is our current court system

        I believe the in death penalty

        It matters not to me how many posters here at Apolyton do or dont

        I read and smell BuLL$h!t like the rest of Poly Posters

        I have my opinion as do others

        Its just that


        We (North Carolina) just put down a bad person last night

        I think this man Tookie has tried to riught some wrongs

        His motives?

        maybe to help prevent others from making same mistakes.....

        perhaps....

        perhaps trying to sell himself as a changed person...

        perhaps he is or is not

        Only he knows and God knows.. his heart

        How about the people he affected?

        I believe we should and hope we do put him to death for what he did

        Just my opinion

        No I wont say it helps or hinders to put a person to death nor do I have a bunch of papers or studies supporting my claims..

        But he took the lives of innocent people and should reap what he sowed

        Gramps
        Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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        • #49
          If it doesn't help anyone to put Tookie to death, why do it?

          There is no evidence that the death penalty is an effective deterrent.

          The state shouldn't take away a human being's life without a damn good reason. And bloodlust ain't one of them.
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • #50
            Originally posted by MrFun
            I smell bull****.
            I smell someone who would fail as a scientist.

            ALL other Western countries seem to have a common pattern of relatively low rate of murder crimes. The United States, for probably several interrelated reasons, as Odin and Berz hinted at, makes our country an anamoly compared to the overall general pattern of Western nations.
            Which is rather my point.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Ramo
              If it doesn't help anyone to put Tookie to death, why do it?

              There is no evidence that the death penalty is an effective deterrent.

              The state shouldn't take away a human being's life without a damn good reason. And bloodlust ain't one of them.
              Just asking not arguing or trolling

              If a person stole a car I say no even if they stole a 1000 cars

              But murder plus he started a violent gang why shouldnt he be put to death for what he did?

              again

              no need to attack me I am just saying why should a person found guilty of MURDER be kept alive?

              Gramps
              Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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              • #52
                I believe there's some value in every person's life. I don't think there needs to be a reason to keep a person alive; rather there needs to be a very reason to kill someone.
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                -Bokonon

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ramo
                  I believe there's some value in every person's life. I don't think there needs to be a reason to keep a person alive; rather there needs to be a very reason to kill someone.
                  ok

                  Again

                  I say if a person kills someone

                  isnt Murder a reason to put someone to death?
                  Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                  • #54
                    No. Revenge is a horrible reason to kill someone. What purpose does it serve?
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                    -Bokonon

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                    • #55
                      I've always found it ironic that when a regular citizen kills a person out of revenge, he gets the death penalty; while when the state kills a person out of revenge, it is celebrated.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Ramo
                        I've always found it ironic that when a regular citizen kills a person out of revenge, he gets the death penalty; while when the state kills a person out of revenge, it is celebrated.
                        Well, I am a former Federal LawMan

                        It isnt actually "revenge" but more punishment and accountability for the crime.

                        It is being held accountable for the crime you committed, laws made by our judicial system and enforced by our courts Ramo.

                        I am just asking, if someone killed members of your family what would you say is an appropriate and measured response?

                        Again, i am simply asking is all

                        Gramps
                        Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                        • #57
                          No, it's not a measured and appropriate response. And if someone killed members of my family, I would probably not be in the position to say what is an appropriate and measured response.

                          And yes, it is revenge. He did something bad, so you want to do the state to do something bad to him. Being under the auspices of state procedure makes it no less an act of revenge. You want to snuff out a person's life, when it doesn't make any of us safer. He'll be in prison if he's not executed. There's no proven deterrent effect from the DP. Hell, he's contributing to society, by helping to convince kids to reject his former lifestyle. So why do it?
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                          -Bokonon

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Ramo
                            I've always found it ironic that when a regular citizen kills a person out of revenge, he gets the death penalty; while when the state kills a person out of revenge, it is celebrated.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Ramo
                              No, it's not a measured and appropriate response. And if someone killed members of my family, I would probably not be in the position to say what is an appropriate and measured response.

                              And yes, it is revenge. He did something bad, so you want to do the state to do something bad to him. Being under the auspices of state procedure makes it no less an act of revenge. You want to snuff out a person's life, when it doesn't make any of us safer. He'll be in prison if he's not executed. There's no proven deterrent effect from the DP. Hell, he's contributing to society, by helping to convince kids to reject his former lifestyle. So why do it?
                              ok

                              you have stated you point and I mine..along with the fact that the states also agree in Death Penalty

                              as for helping to change lives, I want to share when I was a kid I was in trouble with the Law. I lived with Outlaw Bikers Motorcycle Clubs and saw what they had, extortion strongarms and drugs and weapons.

                              When members went to Prison they simply viewed it as a "3 Hots and a cot"

                              This Tookie had written books and that is great.

                              But what proof do we have he has a changed heart or that the kids he is supposedly touching will actualy change their direction?

                              Again, Im just sharing opinion

                              Sometimes when people share opinion it can get ugly

                              I thank you for a mature response

                              Gramps
                              Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Odin
                                DD, ANSWER THE F*CKING QUESTION! DO YOU THINK THE DP IS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN LIFE IN PRISON?
                                Originally posted by Ted Striker
                                Dinodoc does not answer questions nor offers personal opinons.

                                YOu have to state your own opinion and then let him ask a question that puts it down.
                                Originally posted by Odin
                                DD, ANSWER THE F*CKING QUESTION! DO YOU THINK THE DP IS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN LIFE IN PRISON?
                                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                                Out of curiosity, how did that become the question in a thread about whether a scumbag should have the sentence he was given or not?

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