Dirty Republican Congressman admits taking bribes.

[Giancarlo]

Blah blah blah.. not a single one of these are indictments of people actually in the Clinton adminstration.. blah blah blah.. man you sure are stupid.

http://clinton-legacy.org/

You dismiss something with no evidence.

You dems are the dumbest I've seen in a long time.

And those indictments are connected to the Clinton adminstration.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Blah blah blah.. not a single one of these are indictments of people actually in the Clinton adminstration.. blah blah blah.. man you sure are stupid.

http://clinton-legacy.org/

You dismiss something with no evidence.

You dems are the dumbest I've seen in a long time.

And those indictments are connected to the Clinton adminstration.

That doesn't answer my question, weasel. I'll ask again: name me the people indicted who were part of the Clinton administration. You claimed "100" people were indicted. Go ahead and name them.

Want me to start naming the members of the Reagan administration indicted? Or Bush sr? Or the current Bush?

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Blah blah blah.. not a single one of these are indictments of people actually in the Clinton adminstration.. blah blah blah.. man you sure are stupid.

http://clinton-legacy.org/

You dismiss something with no evidence.

You dems are the dumbest I've seen in a long time.

And those indictments are connected to the Clinton adminstration.

Let's take a closer look at Clinton-Legacy.org, shall we?

Friends of Clinton-Legacy.org
* The Counter Clinton Library
* http://bushsupporter.org
* http://bushsupporter.net
* Bush Country merchandise
* TikiTrash Commentary
* Clinton Liebrary
* Clinton Liebrary Book
* Don't Move On

Thus concludes this investigation of 's cited source.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


That doesn't answer my question, weasel. I'll ask again: name me the people indicted who were part of the Clinton administration. You claimed "100" people were indicted. Go ahead and name them.

Want me to start naming the members of the Reagan administration indicted? Or Bush sr? Or the current Bush?

You're the weasel. Look at you, and read my sources.

What are you? Stupid? The current adminstration has been much more clean then the Clinton adminstration in comparsion.

You are a fact denier.

"HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros was indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of Justice. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor of lying to the FBI about the amount of money he gave his mistress, political fundraiser Linda Medlar. Medlar plead guilty to 28 counts related to the investigation. Both Medlar and Cisneros were pardoned by Clinton.

Webster Hubbell, appointed by then Governor Clinton as chief justice of the Arkansas State Supreme Court, and later by President Clinton as associate Attorney General of the United States, plead guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges in connection with his handling of billing at the Rose Law Firm where he worked with Hillary Clinton."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Administration

Shall I go on?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


You're the weasel. Look at you, and read my sources.

I did. Right wing hack sites that don't support your claims. Where's the 100 indictments, Fezzie?

What are you? Stupid? The current adminstration has been much more clean then the Clinton adminstration in comparsion.

You are a fact denier.

"HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros was indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of Justice. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor of lying to the FBI about the amount of money he gave his mistress, political fundraiser Linda Medlar. Medlar plead guilty to 28 counts related to the investigation. Both Medlar and Cisneros were pardoned by Clinton.

Webster Hubbell, appointed by then Governor Clinton as chief justice of the Arkansas State Supreme Court, and later by President Clinton as associate Attorney General of the United States, plead guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges in connection with his handling of billing at the Rose Law Firm where he worked with Hillary Clinton."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Administration

Shall I go on?

That's two. 98 more to go. Shall I list the ones for the current administration now?

Lewes "Scooter" Libby
David Safanian
Thomas Noe.

Look, i'm up by one! And the Bush administration isn't over yet!

[Giancarlo]

you're an idiot. I don't have time for this.

[Odin]

I can't wait till all the crimes of the Bush Administration come out. Vote rigging in Ohio, lying to Congress to vote for his stupid war, allowing torture of detainees in Iraq and Gitmo plus other violations of the Geneva Conventions, Coruption regarding Haliburton, supporting the attempted coup on Chavez, Plamegate, etc.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
you're an idiot. I don't have time for this.

Let me translate from Fezzian:

"I just got my ass whooped and now I'm gonna run with my tail between my legs and hope everyone forgets about this LOOK AT MY $190 JEANS!!!"

[DRoseDARs]

I u

[notyoueither]

Is this true?

- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov




Let me translate from Fezzian:

"I just got my ass whooped and now I'm gonna run with my tail between my legs and hope everyone forgets about this LOOK AT MY $190 JEANS!!!"

How so? I named some people. And I'm not going to name 100. Listen up, I have classes tomorrow. I know you don't have a life. And that's a pity. But I do, and I don't have time for this ****.

[Vesayen]

*sells tickets and popcorn outside the thread to fund his education*

[Giancarlo]

I wonder if this really was hopeless... coming back here...

[Vesayen]

*shrug*

"Y's **** stinks."

"Yeah? Well X's **** stinks worse!"

*shrug*

[nbarclay]

Re: **** bag Republican Congressman admits taking bribes.

Originally posted by Oerdin

Hell, old Randy was just another corrupt Republican caught up in that party's culture of corruption and wasn't even the worst offender. Even the party's top bosses have been involved in money laundering and accepting all sorts of illegal gifts from corporations and lobbyists. Still, it is good to see another corrupt Republican being lead away in chains.

From what I understand, Texas law justifies charges of money laundering only if the money was obtained through illegal activities. What DeLay's organization did was analogous to money laundering, and was certainly against the spirit of the Texas campaign finance laws (assuming reports of what happened are reasonably accurate), but my impression is that it does not meet the legal definition of money laundering.

Looking at what happened in a vacuum, I would be inclined to view that kind of effort to circumvent campaign finance laws as unethical even assuming it was not technically illegal. But such issues cannot be looked at in a vacuum because the political system can function properly only if both sides play by the same rules. If DeLay's group went way outside the bounds of accepted behavior in essentially exchanging money that could not legally be given to particular campaigns for money that could, then there is a serious ethical problem even if DeLay is not guilty of a crime. But if similar practices are fairly common in other Texas political organizations, including organizations from both parties, then singling out DeLay and his organization merely because they played the game more effectively than others and a Democratic prosecutor is angry about his party's loss of power would itself be grossly unjust. Without seeing the results of a comprehensive investigation of whether other political organizations used similar tactics, I have no way to reach a conclusion about the ethics of the situation.

As for the rest of the picture, I consider it disgusting how ethical issues so often become excuses for partisan politics. When entire parties are blamed for wrongdoing or ethical lapses by individual members, that turns up the pressure for both parties to gloss over and make excuses for ethical problems instead of doing an effective job of policiing themselves. That helps to contribute to a culture of corruption - especially when we look beyond the mere letter of the law - in both parties.

If American politics are to be cleaned up, we need for our leaders to focus a lot less on partisanship and a lot more on the idea that we should demand high standards of ethics without regard to party. Efforts to improve ethical standards and to address failures to meet those standards need to be bi-partisan and non-partisan, with the two parties working together to address the problems without fear that the other party will deliberately manipulate those efforts for partisan political advantage. Efforts by one party and its supporters to try to portray the entire other party as corrupt work directly against the needed bipartisanship, and raise enormous barriers against the ability of honest citizens from both parties to ally against corruption and low standards of ethics in both parties.

That is not to say that corruption can never be a legitimate political issue. But issues of ethics need to be handled in an ethical way, focusing on the guilty without trying to spread blame to the innocent in an effort to gain partisan advantage.