The sad case of Conrad Black

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
He may have a state, but he still has a right by the UN Charter of Human Rights, to return to Canada

I'd really like you to point to where it says that.

As I've already adequately demonstrated, the phrase "his country" refers to "his country of citizenship".

We're not screwing with human rights at all. If we'd stripped him of citizenship I'd be right there with you on this. He made his own bed. **** him.

[notyoueither]

Our government harrasses him over a silly issue.

I disagree with your interpretation. If a person moves to a state for work and must seek citizenship there, but his country of birth forces him to renounce (no dual citizenship) it is that persons choice, as you say.

However, when that person later commits a crime and is stripped of citizenship (that can be done and is legitimate, I am sure) then you have just created a stateless person. That is why 'yoiur country' is the one you were born in, IMO.

[Fake Boris]

Clearly he renounced his Canadian citizenship because the liberal bureaucracy was pestering him. He could have fought back at the time, but he didn't, because he didn't see the need.

To claim that he renounced it 100% willingly is silly.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
However, when that person later commits a crime and is stripped of citizenship (that can be done and is legitimate, I am sure) then you have just created a stateless person. That is why 'yoiur country' is the one you were born in, IMO.

I would actually argue that stripping anybody of citizenship for any reason other than a fraudulent application process is wrong, and should not be allowed. AFAIK, we do not strip people of citizenship for crimes committed after they have received citizenship.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Clearly he renounced his Canadian citizenship because the liberal bureaucracy was pestering him. He could have fought back at the time, but he didn't, because he didn't see the need.

To claim that he renounced it 100% willingly is silly.

No it isn't.

[Max Webster]

The traitor scum siad he didn't want to be a Canadian anymore. Fine, get lost. We don't want traitors. Feed the clown to the dogs.

The gall of the scum to want to come back now that he is in trouble.

[KrazyHorse]

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

I would actually argue that stripping anybody of citizenship for any reason other than a fraudulent application process is wrong, and should not be allowed. AFAIK, we do not strip people of citizenship for crimes committed after they have received citizenship.

Yes, we do.

[KrazyHorse]

Could you please provide an example?

Also, if we do it then I think it is wrong.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Max Webster
The traitor scum siad he didn't want to be a Canadian anymore. Fine, get lost. We don't want traitors. Feed the clown to the dogs.

The gall of the scum to want to come back now that he is in trouble.

Errr... he "renounced" it because there was the threat of procedures. Had he been left alone by Chretien's personal vendetta, this would be a non-issue right now.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Could you please provide an example?

Also, if we do it then I think it is wrong.

It is recognised as a legitimate reason for doing so.

That, and other things, is why the right to return to the land of your birth is an important fumdamental human right.

[Last Conformist]

How was he harassed, BTW?

[KrazyHorse]

He had the freedom to continue the fight, to abide by the decision, or to convince the British government to go ahead.

At no point was he in any danger of fines or prison due to an acceptance of a foreign honour.

People cannot be allowed to renounce citizenship on a whim, under the assumption that it can arbitrarily be changed back later.

Take, for example, the American law banning US citizens from ****ing underage girls while abroad. A dual US/Thai citizen could renounce his US citizenship, go to Thailand, **** a bunch of 11 year-old girls, reassert his US citizenship and go back home without the fear of prosecution. How ****ing stupid is that?

[Max Webster]

Originally posted by notyoueither
why the right to return to the land of your birth is an important fumdamental human right.

Fine, but only after he serves his US jail term.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


It is recognised as a legitimate reason for doing so.

That, and other things, is why the right to return to the land of your birth is an important fumdamental human right.

You're already wrong, as I've demonstrated. Nobody recognizes the right to return to the land of your birth as a fundamental human right. Otherwise we would be forced to grant Canadian citizenship to anybody born in Canada. WHICH WE DON'T.

And could you please get me some sort of reference which shows that the commission of a crime by a naturalised Canadian citizen would be accepted as a legitimate reason to strip him of his Canadian citizenship?