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I bet if we compare the number of people who fleed from Cuba after Castro took power with number of people who stayed, the comparison wouldn't be in favour of the first.
???? Yeah, I know. Are you expecting that 51% of a country's population leave before it can be decided that it's a bad country?
Again, you live in US. Ask real Cubans what they think about him.
I have. My entire family on my mother's side is from Cuba. My mom was born in Havana. Other than them, I have other friends from Cuba. They universally denounce Castro. However, I do have one South American friend who's not from Cuba who claims to be a communist who also will speak positively about Castro. I can't imagine why though.
I was born in the USSR. And personally I live better now than 20 years ago, but most of the Russians don't.
I'm glad you live better outside of communism. It's a shame that the rest of Russia is still trying to recover from 80 years of oppression. These things don't fix themselves overnight.
I was born in the USSR. And personally I live better now than 20 years ago, but most of the Russians don't.
This is largely the fault of the Russian government. It took something like 10 years for them to legalize private land owership so for most of the post Soviet period the Russian people were without a system. Neither the old Soviet system nor a capitalist system. Economies don't like such uncertainty.
Originally posted by Oerdin
This is largely the fault of the Russian government. It took something like 10 years for them to legalize private land owership so for most of the post Soviet period the Russian people were without a system. Neither the old Soviet system nor a capitalist system. Economies don't like such uncertainty.
QFT. Plus corrupt courts and vague property protection of any assets.
Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
Originally posted by vomitus
I have. My entire family on my mother's side is from Cuba. My mom was born in Havana. Other than them, I have other friends from Cuba. They universally denounce Castro. However, I do have one South American friend who's not from Cuba who claims to be a communist who also will speak positively about Castro. I can't imagine why though.
Sorry to break it to you, but Cuban exiles in the US are not the most well regarded people in Latin American circles.
As for Castro, he get props in Latin America for sticking it to the gringos. More a nationalist anti-American hero than a hero for his economic policies or governance.
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Originally posted by notyoueither
I think you just conceded the point, GePap.
BTW, what is wrong with the Cuban exiles?
They are viewed as nothing more than US patsies, and a bunch of whinners too who care more about their ex-property than the good of their fellow Cubans, or seens a vultures waiting for Castro to fall and deluding themseves that they will go back and rule Cuba. They carry the tinge of the ancient regime, of Batista, even if many of them are actually part of the revolutionaries who overthrew Batista.
All in all, the remnants of a corrupt system hoaring itself to uncle sam at the cost of Cuban independence...That is how they are seen, fairly or not.
As for the economics, there are few command economist in latin American anymore, thought plenty of socialists and protectionists. But everyone sees that Castro's economics aren't going anywhere. The world moves on, like the ex-Sandinista friend of the family, who once worked in the Nicaraguan consulate in Moscow, who is now an office manager, and who runs a restaurant with her ex-general husband.
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Originally posted by Az
Yep. That was the problem. Private land ownership.
The point, my obtuse friend, is that the Russia didn't have even the basics of a capitalist system yet the Soviet system ceased to function. If you have no capitalist system and you have no communist system then what do you have? Not much; certainly not much investors want. Do you think this would effect employment growth or tax receipts?
Originally posted by Oerdin
If you have no capitalist system and you have no communist system then what do you have?
A bunch of mother****ers who robbed and ruined my country, chaos, corruption, degradation. But hardly private land ownership is the only and the main reason.
A bunch of mother****ers who robbed and ruined my country, chaos, corruption, degradation. But hardly private land ownership is the only and the main reason.
You would be surprised my economics-misguided friend how much a vigorously enforced system of private property rights (not just land) can boost a countrys economy. You just have not see that yet in yours. Which is unfortunate, and was perhaps even unavoidable - who had then the governance skills to do that? Was the population aware of what is needed for a free country to function? Sad, but it will pass.
Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
The point, my obtuse friend, is that the Russia didn't have even the basics of a capitalist system yet the Soviet system ceased to function. If you have no capitalist system and you have no communist system then what do you have? Not much; certainly not much investors want. Do you think this would effect employment growth or tax receipts?
That's a truck load of **** - Private land ownership is almost meaningless - ~90% of land in Israel is government owned, for example, doesn't mean that Israel doesn't have a full market economy. What was flawed in Russia was clarity in courts, a fair code of laws, and the modus operandi of most players in russian capitalism - slash and burn economics.
You would be surprised my economics-misguided friend how much a vigorously enforced system of private property rights (not just land) can boost a countrys economy. You just have not see that yet in yours. Which is unfortunate, and was perhaps even unavoidable - who had then the governance skills to do that? Was the population aware of what is needed for a free country to function? Sad, but it will pass.
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