Long live the Great October Revoluion!

[Serb]

Thanks for your correction. My post above being edited.

[Bosh]

Whenever your advanced Western societies get involved in a war vs. Germans/Japanese/anyone else, you throw the people who has a drop of your enemy's blood in their veins into detention camps.

Then why did my German-American grandfather fight Germans in WW II?

[Serb]

He was lucky, just like all Russian-Germans who fought against Germans on the Soviet side.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Serb
He was lucky, just like all Russian-Germans who fought against Germans on the Soviet side.

Of all the things I could call lucky, getting to fight on the Eastern Front in WW II would be very close to the bottom of the list...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Bosh

Then why did my German-American grandfather fight Germans in WW II?

I suppose Serb has read about the internment of Japanese, and has made the assumption that Germans and Italians were interned during WW2 as well. When in fact, the fact that Germans and Italians were (for the most part) not interned, is used as argument that the internment of Japanese was racist. Of course there Japanese Americans in the US forces during WW2 as well - of course they mainly fought on the European front, notably in Italy. Since in Serbs world the Italian campaign did not take place, and the Germans were beaten by the Soviets singlehandedly, its no surprise he would overlook that.

[vomitus]

Well, I for one am glad half my family on my mother's side as well as some of my friends escaped Cuba and communism after Castro took power. Communism is so god damned great that Cubas flee it rather than live under it. It's odd how every Cuban I know universally denounces Castro as a villain, yet communism is so stinking wonderful. I can't help but feel that those who espouse communism are the ones who haven't lived under it.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Bosh

Of all the things I could call lucky, getting to fight on the Eastern Front in WW II would be very close to the bottom of the list...

I think your grandfather never fought on the Eastern Front in WW II. It would be strange if he did, since you said he fought vs. Germans and I can't imagine how an American-German could fought on the Eastern front vs. Germans not being a Soviet soldier. There could be some exceptiots, but more probably your grandfather fought in Italy or France.
On the other hand, where do you think Soviet soldiers (regardless of their nationality) should have fought except the Eastern front?

p.s. Stay on topic - praise the Revolution!

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


I suppose Serb has read about the internment of Japanese, and has made the assumption that Germans and Italians were interned during WW2 as well.

I don't know how about Italians, but Germans certanly were, at least in UK.
And btw, there is a big difference between being interned, becase your are a POW/citizen of a country in war against you are involved and being thrown into detention camps because you have 1/16 of your enemy blood, despite you have a full citezenship.

When in fact, the fact that Germans and Italians were (for the most part) not interned, is used as argument that the internment of Japanese was racist.

Once again, German citizens were interned in GB right after the outbreak of war (I believe the same happened with Britsh people who were unfortunate to be in Germany back then). I don't know what happened with German citizens who stayed in US in 1941 when Hitler DOW you. I can only assume they have shared the fate of Japanese-American, so, perhaps I'm wrong (but I see no reason why US should have been nicer to them).
I can only speak about people who had the same origins as your main enemy - a Japanese-Americans. It's a well-known fact that they've been thrown in camps in the middle of the dessert and being held in inhuman conditions, not because they fought vs. USA, but because some of your advanced democratic jerks thought they could (should I remind you that segregation still existed in the US?). Btw, some prisoners who earlier went throwgh a NAZI death camps commited a suicide after a short staying in so-called detention camp in the middle of the land of freedom aka USA.
So if it is not racism, than I don't know what racism is.
Just face it, USA was a racist state in 40's.

Of course there Japanese Americans in the US forces during WW2 as well - of course they mainly fought on the European front, notably in Italy. Since in Serbs world the Italian campaign did not take place, and the Germans were beaten by the Soviets singlehandedly, its no surprise he would overlook that.

I read memouirs of one of those solders (I don't remeber who of Apolytoners exactly gave me the link to this story of future American senator, whose name I don't rememer of course) and I believe that his family could very well find its new home sweet home somewhere in the middle of Nevada, if he didn't join the Army.
As for Italy, well, with all my respect to Americans who fought and died there, it hardly could be compared to Stalingrad.
NOT EVEN A CLOSE. The end of story.
And once again, I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS, but when the hell you will understand that we lost almoust a HUNDRED times more?
The Soviets didn't win 'singlehandedly'. You DID help and DID participate, but the fact is - 3/4 of Werchmaht have been destroyed by the Soviets.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Serb

And btw, there is a big difference between being interned, becase your are a POW/citizen of a country in war against you are involved and being thrown into detention camps because you have 1/16 of your enemy blood, despite you have a full citezenship.

Which did not happen in the US. Only folks of Japanese birth were interned. In many cases their children went with them, but they didnt have to.

I don't know what happened with German citizens who stayed in US in 1941 when Hitler DOW you. I can only assume they have shared the fate of Japanese-American, so, perhaps I'm wrong (but I see no reason why US should have been nicer to them).

German born Americans were NOT interned, as a general rule.

In fact, Japanese born Americans in Hawaii were not interned either - the internment was primarily of Japanese Americans in California.

I can only speak about people who had the same origins as your main enemy - a Japanese-Americans. It's a well-known fact that they've been thrown in camps in the middle of the dessert and being held in inhuman conditions

It was certainly wrong to intern them - but AFAIK the conditions were not inhumane.

, not because they fought vs. USA, but because some of your advanced democratic jerks thought they could (should I remind you that segregation still existed in the US?).

I am quite aware of that.

Btw, some prisoners who earlier went throwgh a NAZI death camps commited a suicide after a short staying in so-called detention camp in the middle of the land of freedom aka USA.

Citation please.

I read memouirs of one of those solders (I don't remeber who of Apolytoners exactly gave me the link to this story of future American senator, whose name I don't rememer of course)

Sen Daniel K Inouye, I think.

and I believe that his family could very well find its new home sweet home somewhere in the middle of Nevada, if he didn't join the Army.

i doubt that, as Inouye lived in Hawaii, and the Hawain Japanese were not interned. California Japanese also joined the US army, and their families WERE interned.


By the way, am I the only one finding it odd hearing Serb preaching about WW2 era internments?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb

Since it was the tzar who started this, I can't see how Bolsheviks can be blamed. And btw, it's a pretty stupid idea to draft ethnic Germans to fight Germans. Whenever your advanced Western societies get involved in a war vs. Germans/Japanese/anyone else, you throw the people who has a drop of your enemy's blood in their veins into detention camps.

Well now that we've dealt with that lie, can we discuss Soviet deportations of minorities during WW2?

[lord of the mark]

Re: Long live the Great October Revolution!

Originally posted by Serb
Yeah, it was 88 years ago when we owerthrown the Kerensky regime, suppressed the Social Revolutionaries and Mensheviks and created the first state of totalitarian apparatchiks. It was 14 years ago that said state was finally torn down, and Russia breathed freely again.

Corrected.

[Serb]

Corrected, my ass

[Imran Siddiqui]

Re: Re: Long live the Great October Revolution!

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Corrected.

[Serb]

As for the rest of your BS buddy, then I'll answer within a couple of days. I'm sorry, but I have to slep now. It's four o'clock of the morning here and I admit I'm still drunk and need some rest.
Besides, you went OT, man. Stop spaming! Praise the Revolution.
I'll be back (c).
And you will cry

[Winston]

A pissed and passed out commie is a good commie.