Business in China

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Bosh
I love Korea silly, but I constantly ***** about the stranger aspects of it with my whitey colleages.

Why do you ***** constantly if you love the place?

Originally posted by Bosh
In addition the Koreans I deal with are much more westernized than the Chinese that Dashi deals with

Why the **** do the Koreans or the Chinese have to be westernize. Why is that wrong?

[Tingkai]

[:) Smiley]

Originally posted by Tingkai
I agree its evil, but if they let people in there will be a flood of refugees. China is in a no-win situation.

And that's true for many countries. The US routinely turns back Cuban refugees. Most countries reject refugees.

If you have a viable situation, great.

Life sucks.

China's a big enough place though that the entire North Korean population could be absorbed.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Smiley


China's a big enough place though that the entire North Korean population could be absorbed.

They don't have the resources to handle a flood of refugees.


My friend works for the UN refugee thingy. The one thing she is proud of, being a Canadian, and one thing I'm proud of, is that Canada is one of the few countries willing to accept refugees.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Tingkai


I agree its evil, but if they let people in there will be a flood of refugees. China is in a no-win situation.

And that's true for many countries. The US routinely turns back Cuban refugees. Most countries reject refugees.

If you have a viable situation, great.

Life sucks.

Um, no.

The North Koreans don't especially want to live in China. They want to get to South Korea. However, it is suicidal to get there through the DMZ to they try to get there through China (a good number of North Korean refugees have been grabbed trying to get to Vietnam and from THERE to South Korea). While they're in China they either hand around there doing illegal work or do whatever they can to get enough money together to hire a smuggler to take them to South Korea. Obviously large numbers of illegal immigrants desperate for money creates some problems.

However, if China just deported everyone to South Korea then all of the refugees would line up at the nearest police station to the border. South Korea would take them all.

The only reason that China has any Korean refugees is BECAUSE OF not despite its policy of deporting the refugees to the North.

[Bosh]

Why do you ***** constantly if you love the place?

People always want to ***** about where they are (at least I do). I loved my university, but I liked *****ing about the things about it that annoyed me etc. etc.

Why the **** do the Koreans or the Chinese have to be westernize. Why is that wrong?

I never said they have to westernize
I just said that its easier for westerners to deal with a place that's more westernized or at least aren't so blinded by nationalism that they can recognize the flaws in the place that they live (and every place has its share of flaws).

They don't have the resources to handle a flood of refugees.

*sigh*
Erecting a barrier between where refugees want to get away from (North Korea) and where they want to get to (South Korea) is evil. Can we agree on that?

[Kuciwalker]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Tingkai
Jesus Christ, Kuci.

I know you got brains, but stop being pig headed about this.

You smart enough to understand what I'm saying.

Mao is saying he gets pissed off by people who think he is a foreigner. It happens too many times. It's happened to me. The only difference is that now I don't give a **** about those idiots.

If you call an Chinese-American Chinese, then you are insulting them. They're not Chinese. They are Americans of Chinese descent. It's that ****ing simple.

They're American nationals of Chinese ethnicity. It is appropriate to call them either Americans or Chinese, depending on whether you're describing nationality or ethnicity.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Smiley
Hey Kuci, have you ever used an Asian toilet?

They took a little getting used to but not to bad once you adjust.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by mindseye
Some guy showed up at the factory where the Brit was held, and insisted he sign a paper surrendering his assets to his Chinese partner, or else go to prison. He refused, eventually got some legal help, and went to trial. There, he recognized the man who came to the factory to insist he sign over his company. The man was the judge.

See, know that is the type of stuff that is going to scare off a lot of potential investor in China. I'm sure this is not common (or else few people would invest in China) but the central government really needs to crack down on this type of abuse if they want to keep the money from investors flowing in. There are just to many other low wage countries which are willing to play fair with investors and abide by agreements. There is tons of labor in the rest of Asia as well as Africa and Latin America and the Chinese government is only hurting itself by turning a blind eye towards this type of thing.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Bosh

People always want to ***** about where they are (at least I do). I loved my university, but I liked *****ing about the things about it that annoyed me etc. etc.

I think that Tingkai can't accept that people are different. He's created this perfect image of himself and uses that to complain about other people's behavior. Unless people believe the exact same things he does, he considers them evil and unclean. He can't accept normal human behavior. He just can't understand other people.

There is a teacher at my last school almost exactly like him. Also a foreigner from Canada, he really enjoys his time in China, which is great for him. No problem there. But he expected everyone to have the same opinions and beliefs as he did. He didn't drink alcohol so he would condemn the rest of us for doing it. He wasn't religious, so he would laugh at the people who went to church. He thought that the Chinese were a superior race because he heard that they were more pure and would get visibly angry if anyone questioned this. Like Tingkai, he would never complain about anything in China, and felt that no one else had the right to do so either. He also couldn't distinguish genuine criticizism from whining and took everything personally. He would taut his praise for China despite being horribly ignorant of the country. Everything he knew he learned solely from the Chinese English channel. He hates the west and especially America, though he is incapable of having a conversation beyond, "George Bush is so stupid, hee hee." He has no foreign friends at all. He spends most of his time among his students and some Chinese teachers. Where he regails them with his praise of China and where he travelled to throughout the world so that they look at him with awe. However, I discovered that I knew as much about the countries he visited without he going there, and his descriptions were general and unspecific. When that fails, he talks about DVDs he likes (claims to be the best DVDs, can't challenge him on this either). Personally, I was fine that he had his own opinions about China (except the racial purity thing, that was scary). While they are not entirely alike (Tingkai is far more intelligent), they do share that same attitude toward other people. They lack any sympathy or understanding of other people because they are so locked within themselves and their own self image of glory. For a short while, I really thought that Tingkai was this teacher.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Kontiki


Alright, I'm pretty much done with this conversation, and especially your ****ty attitude. I simply pointed out that you seem to have a very negative view of China, borne out by a pattern of threads you've started over time, which led me to wonder why you stay there. I guess to you, that means I am now defending China/calling you a racist and gives you carte blanche to act like a dick.

Did you or did you not call them perfectly legitimate failings of China? I believe this is the actual crux of your argument against me. Otherwise, how can you claim I have a negative view of China, you've offered no other proof. It seems that you can not back this statement about legititmacy up, which means you can not back up the slander you have made against me. So I would appreciate an apology.

In the future, you may try to work towards some reading comprehension and/or not assuming that someone who questions you is attacking you. In specific response to the above quote, I meant that the negative stories were legitimate, not that the actions they describe are legitimate. Perhaps if you were less concerned about countering my non-existant defense of Chinese practices, you would have noticed that I explicitly said that I don't dispute what you post.

If the stories are legitimate, how I am wrong to want to discuss them? If I posted stories that weren't legitimate that criticized China, then you may be able to say that I don't like China or what not. But you admit here that I don't do that. So as much as you try to twist your own words, you still haven't shown that I hate China. I would appreciate an apology for your accusation.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Bosh

Erecting a barrier between where refugees want to get away from (North Korea) and where they want to get to (South Korea) is evil. Can we agree on that?

If South Korea is willing to take in all the refugees who get into China, then yes, we can agree on that.

[Dinner]

You don't see a valid reason why South Korea would want to accept fellow Koreans who are fleeing totalitarianism over Chinese who aren't starving to death? For all of China's problems they're not having people's hair turn white or red due to malnutrition.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Tingkai


If South Korea is willing to take in all the refugees who get into China, then yes, we can agree on that.

The SKorean government is often very lacking in balls when it comes to the refugee issue (the Vietnamese government had to threaten to raise a **** storm if the SKorean government didn't take all of the NKoreans who'd fled the Chinese police into Vietnam and pick up the tab and the SKorean government has been shamefully inactive about pressuring the Chinese government on the issue), HOWEVER. If the Chinese government gave all NKorean refugees the choice of which Korea to be expelled into then China wouldn't have the problem with NKorean refugees sneaking all over the country, smuggling and doing various bits of illegal work that it does now, they'd all line up at the nearest police station to the border to get expelled into South Korea.

However annoying the SKorean government is, they care enough about their international reputation to know how bad it would make them look if they turned away NKorean refugees (something no SKorean government has ever done). If the government wasn't willing to take in all NKorean refugees who could make it to should Korea, the opposition would CRUCIFY them, so yeah SKorea would definately take all of the refugees and pick up the tab is China sent them there. Not doing so is pure evil.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Bosh

People always want to ***** about where they are (at least I do). I loved my university, but I liked *****ing about the things about it that annoyed me etc. etc.

Sure, and you seem to have a balance and the ability to appreciate Korea. I'm probably in the same boat.

But there are those who seem to only complain, and usually the complaint is that the place they choose to live in isn't like back home. Those are the ones that get on my nerves.

Originally posted by Bosh
I never said they have to westernize
I just said that its easier for westerners to deal with a place that's more westernized or at least aren't so blinded by nationalism that they can recognize the flaws in the place that they live (and every place has its share of flaws).

Sure it's easier for an American to work in America, Australia, Canada, etc. And its more difficult to work in a non-English country.

I wouldn't use the word nationalism, but reading between the lines, I'd agree with you. In most countries, people fail to see many flaws simply because they think the flaws are normal.