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Is't that the point of this thread? 
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wycoff, i made a generalisation, what you said was just plain wrong i'm afraid.
i don't doubt that america has its share of sports fanatics, but could something like AFC wimbledon (who could overtake MK dons in a few years) happen in america, i'm guessing no. 100000s go every week to watch teams who play low quality football, scrape by, grind out results and who will never win anything. the point i'm trying to make is that football isn't just a form of entertainment, and that look at it only in terms of that is missing the point."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
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I assure you that people do NOT just accept it. There are numerous examples of teams moving, but nearly every one has been accompanied by a great deal of anger & bitterness on the part of the city the team leaves behind. Notable exception: Montreal (Expos) - but that's Canada and they don't really care about baseball.in amercia teams get moved around simply for financial gain, and people just accept it, to me that's disgusting
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Yes we do. It's called College and High School football. Hundreds and hundreds of colleges have football teams, most of which have never ever produced a professional player. These teams have hardcore fans that support them, despite the fact that thet're not that good and have no hope of ever winning the NCAA championship.Originally posted by C0ckney
i don't doubt that america has its share of sports fanatics, but could something like AFC wimbledon (who could overtake MK dons in a few years) happen in america, i'm guessing no. 100000s go every week to watch teams who play low quality football, scrape by, grind out results and who will never win anything. the point i'm trying to make is that football isn't just a form of entertainment, and that look at it only in terms of that is missing the point.
Besides, your Wimbledon/Dons scenario sort of happened in the NFL. The Browns moved from Cleveland to Baltimore and became the Baltimore Ravens. The Cleveland fans (some of the most hardcore NFL fans) were distraught. Through their relentless efforts, Browns fans secured the right to start a new franchise in Cleveland, a franchise that could retain the name "Browns" and all the team's records. The Browns and Ravens are now in the same league and are bitter, bitter rivals.
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40 yards in 4,8 secs... that's fast but not so "amazing" as you make it seem.Originally posted by Wycoff
40 yards, another archaic measurement that us Americans use.
The starts and stops allow for strategy/ switching in players/ changing offensive and defensive schemes, etc.
The great thing about American Football is that every player on the field matters. In Soccer or Basketball all you need is one or two stars to dominate. The rest can just run around. In American Football every player matters. One bad lineman or defensive back can cripple a team.
Anyway you're wrong about the 1 or 2 stars that cripple a team. I play in a crap team every sunday (we don't intend to be good, but we're simply mates drinking lots of pints after the game etc) and basically we always lose, even though I totally own our opponent.. I can't simply walk past 6-7 defenders with the ball even when I'm better.. they'll simply tackle me if I get too far"An archaeologist is the best husband a women can have; the older she gets, the more interested he is in her." - Agatha Christie
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American rugby is not absurd name.Originally posted by DanS
You have my permission to call it whatever absurd name you choose.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Besides, if I want athletes that can run really fast, I'll watch the Olympics thank you very much.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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And I'm willing to forgive your delusions from time-to-time.Originally posted by Colon
American rugby is not absurd name.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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40 yards in 4,8 secs... that's fast but not so "amazing" as you make it seem.
It is for a 300 pound man
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It's pretty amazing when your 6 foot 6, 320 pounds. The "fat, unathletic" football players are actually quick and athletic for their huge size.Originally posted by Traianvs
40 yards in 4,8 secs... that's fast but not so "amazing" as you make it seem.
The speed guys (Running backs, wide receivers, defensive backs) usually run the 40 in 4.3-4.4 secondsI'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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At least I don't have to look at their hairy legs. I gather that's an important part of Euro sports.Originally posted by Colon
You got an issue with shorts? Do you rather prefer quite possibly the ugliest garment in the history of humanity, namele "tights"? Christ, that's the kind of pants that female heroin junks wear and you got an issue with shorts?I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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Oh, are they doing that 17 weeks out of every year now?Originally posted by Colon
Besides, if I want athletes that can run really fast, I'll watch the Olympics thank you very much.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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Re: Objectively speaking, soccer is an inferior spectator sport...
Have you ever gone out drinking with Brits before?Originally posted by DanS
What I've always wanted to know is how the Brits can fit all of their pint-drinking and pie-eating into a mere 2 hour timeframe at a soccer match.
Football is more like 3.5 hours, a much more suitable timeframe for the same. And then you have tailgating for the remainder.Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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I'm sure it would be a traumatizing experience. Like an innocent lamb led to the slaughter, etc.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Go out with a few Brits and you'll learn that 90 minutes is more than enough time to get a quite a few pints in.Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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