Why must intelligent design be stopped

[Odin]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

You haven't answered the trailer park analogy. Evolutionists are saying that there is a natural force which acts contrary to entropy, acting over a large amount of time to increase rather then decrease complexity. They don't postulate the way in which this force works, other then through natural selection.

This shows your complete ignorance of biochemistry. Life does not act contrary to entropy, Life is not a closed system. It can stay at a low entropy as long as there is a OUTSIDE SOURCE OF ENERGY (like the Sun). Also, Darwinian evolution violates no phsical laws. In fact, it MUST occur in any system that has reproduction and heredity.

[Jon Miller]

so the claim (of ID) is that:

"there are natural systems that cannot be adequately explained in terms of undirected natural forces and that exhibit features which in any other circumstance we would attribute to intelligence."

if they have the technolgy and math to do this, more power to them

however, I don't understand it (where is the math to show that something must be designed by an intelligence?)

Jon Miller

[Ben Kenobi]

The point is that it's not okay to teach it in school.

Why not? Is it because it denies that nature and the material world is the only thing with influence in our lives?

[Atahualpa]

Fine, if you play ignorant, I will do so as well... open up, I've posted enough reasons, others have as well. Even John Miller.

If you really think ID needs to be taught, I am nothing but sorry for you. I thought you were a reasonable guy...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Patroklos

and you can go back to playing BF2 all day.

I haven't played that since August...

I mostly play Day of Defeat Source now...

but I am going to start with Civ4 when I get it




and BTW, you shouldn't take my melodramatic online rantings so seriously

[Ben Kenobi]

This shows your complete ignorance of biochemistry. Life does not act contrary to entropy, Life is not a closed system.

Then it does act contrary to entropy, in that entropy depends upon a closed system.

It can stay at a low entropy as long as there is a OUTSIDE SOURCE OF ENERGY (like the Sun). Also, Darwinian evolution violates no phsical laws. In fact, it MUST occur in any system that has reproduction and heredity.

That's not the trouble. How do you get from molecules to complex organisms? That's the real problem in biochemistry, and it can't be explained away by appealing to the power of sunlight.

Yes, the sun powers many things on earth, but it won't change molecules to complex systems found in plants and animals.

[Ben Kenobi]

I've posted enough reasons, others have as well. Even John Miller.

If you really think ID needs to be taught, I am nothing but sorry for you. I thought you were a reasonable guy...

I think they shouldn't teach evolution in classrooms until students reach university. That's what I would think as a reasonable assessment. If they do choose to teach evolution, then they should also teach other theories, including ID.

[Patroklos]

and BTW, you shouldn't take my melodramatic online rantings so seriously

But your so damn good at it!!!

I mostly play Day of Defeat Source now...

I saw that on the shelf yesterday, worth the buy? I still play CoD alot.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I think they shouldn't teach evolution in classrooms until students reach university. That's what I would think as a reasonable assessment. If they do choose to teach evolution, then they should also teach other theories, including ID.

ID is sooo far from evolution

And it has to be taught in school, a majority of the people doesn't reach university, so that's just stupid suggesting that these people will not have access to this theory.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Patroklos


I saw that on the shelf yesterday, worth the buy? I still play CoD alot.

yes! it's very good...

but be sure you are getting "Day of Defeat Source"

Source is the new version... it uses the Half Life 2 engine...

here is a thread I created in the Other Games forum about it

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139184

the game came out September 26th...

visit the other thread for details on how to get it... it costs $20 and you can download it using a program called Steam... it is easier than going to a store and installing it from a CD



sorry for threadjack!

[Ming]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
If they do choose to teach evolution, then they should also teach other theories, including ID.

Let them teach ID in Sunday school or in church, where it belongs. Evolution is a scientific theory... ID isn't.

Let's teach sciience in the class room, and leave religion for Sunday School...

[Patroklos]

In all honesty, of all the science taught in highschool that is useless to the average non university attender, evolution has to be at the top of the list.

It is actually useless to just about everyone.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Patroklos
In all honesty, of all the science taught in highschool that is useless to the average non university attender, evolution has to be at the top of the list.

It is actually useless to just about everyone.

understanding where life on Earth comes from is useless?

[Ben Kenobi]

And it has to be taught in school, a majority of the people doesn't reach university, so that's just stupid suggesting that these people will not have access to this theory.

Why does it have to be taught in high school, when it benefits the folks who go to university?

[Sava]

evolution is pretty much the foundation of modern biology...

and that is pretty much intertwined with modern medicine...

yeah doctors, hospitals, healthcare... medicines, pharmaceuticals... they are all pretty useless