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I'm telling you there will be no energy crisis. We might have a slightly more expensive energy mix, and there might be a recession or two as we adjust, but life will go on.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
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well read the thread i linked to, DanS said we could find an infinite supply of affordable oil within the solar systemComment
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And that may be the reason why there isn't so many serious answers. It is quite right that oil is a ressource that will end, but when even fusion experts, who would be intrerested in increased budgets, says that there are at least 50-60 years before oil will start to be a problematic source of energy, then it's difficult to react on the apocalyptical part.Originally posted by MosesPresley
"Apocalypse" was the bait. I simply wanted a conversation about the coming energy crisis and what it will be like to live in a society without oil.
The oil will run out. It is just a matter of when. With China and India starting to increase their oil demand, I fear it may be sooner than later. I do not envision a doomsday scenario, but I certainly see a huge shift in the way that we will go about our daily lives when the oil supply does run low.
Locally people quitely eats a price of $1.5 pr liter without any trace of changing habits, but I could imagine that it would be a shock for us citizens when they has to pay that or more likely much more. Though, I guess that they quickly will change to more efficient vehicheles.
Actually, it's a little stupid to center the discussion on personal transport - the main issue is industry and heathing. No doubt that nuclear power will get a new era wich probaly will take the brunt of Indian and Chinese power needs. It's just a matter of price.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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No I didn't. Indeed I made clear that it wouldn't be economical. Merely doable, if there were oil on another planet within the solar system. You seem to have problems with subjunctives.DanS said we could find an infinite supply of affordable oil within the solar systemLast edited by DanS; October 3, 2005, 21:06.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Sorry, can't find such. Actually he argues for dropping oil as a energy source and use nuclear power instead.Originally posted by korn469
BlackCat
well read the thread i linked to, DanS said we could find an infinite supply of affordable oil within the solar systemWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by DanS
I'm telling you there will be no energy crisis. We might have a slightly more expensive energy mix, and there might be a recession or two as we adjust, but life will go on.
A recession is a crisis.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Not nessecarily, it can also be a change that is nessecary.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Originally posted by DanS
I'm telling you there will be no energy crisis. We might have a slightly more expensive energy mix, and there might be a recession or two as we adjust, but life will go on.
A recession is a crisis.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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American culture is about nothing if its not about personal transport. This society was practically built on the automobile. But if you read my opening post, I also was questioning the impact on industry.Originally posted by BlackCat
Actually, it's a little stupid to center the discussion on personal transport - the main issue is industry and heathing. No doubt that nuclear power will get a new era wich probaly will take the brunt of Indian and Chinese power needs. It's just a matter of price.
On the nightly news their has been a lot of talk about high crude prices increasing inflation in all sectors, causing a recession."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
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So? That's just a step to a new dynamic equilibrium. Not an ongoing process. Once the dam fills dp/dt = 0Originally posted by Last Conformist
Dams prolong the time the water is out of the oceans. This means more of the water is out of the oceans at any given time.
Perfectly irrelevant.
No, it isn't. Too bad you can't see that.
?And this is supposed to change anything how?
This is like watching Asher argue with UR about computers.
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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Originally posted by Last Conformist
To a little rock popularly known as 'the Moon'.
So: the Earth loses more angular momentum...to the moon, because...according to you, pulling an insignificant amount of water out of the ocean drives higher tides? Especially given that tidal motion of the Earth's ocean is also an insignificant contributor to the tidal coupling equation of the Earth-Moon system.
You obviously have no clue as to the dynamics of this situation.
Please explain to me how:
1) The movement of a small, permanently standing pool of water from one spot to another on the globe drives an ever increasing loss of angular momentum on the Earth
2) The hydroelectric generation of power would not work just as well on a planet with no satellite and no rotation
Until then, your explanation of rotational motion as the motive force behind hydro generation is just so much nonsense.
The source of the energy remains, as always, solar energy converted into thermal energy, converted into gravitational potential energy, converted into kinetic energy, converted into electrical energy.Last edited by KrazyHorse; October 3, 2005, 20:21.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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Well, then american culture are going to change. If they don't then they will just die like every other society that can't adobt to new environmental demands.Originally posted by MosesPresley
American culture is about nothing if its not about personal transport. This society was practically built on the automobile. But if you read my opening post, I also was questioning the impact on industry.
On the nightly news their has been a lot of talk about high crude prices increasing inflation in all sectors, causing a recession.
I don't for a moment feel sorry that the rise in crude oil prices may start a rescession - if a society is so voulnerable to such minor changes, it should adobt or die.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I have no doubt that american society will adapt. I'm just curious what shape the adaptation will take."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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He's just as smart arguing physics as he is arguing economics.Originally posted by DanS
No. Who besides you uses triple negatives and thinks everybody can divine the meaning of his post?
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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You're probably right. I'm my thread's own worst enemy.Originally posted by BlackCat
And that may be the reason why there isn't so many serious answers.
"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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Somehow I actually doubt. US citizens are so accustomed to have enegry ad libitum when they want andI don't think that they can pay the bill.Originally posted by MosesPresley
I have no doubt that american society will adapt. I'm just curious what shape the adaptation will take.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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