Why did a united Scandinavia not form?

[Jon Miller]

my undergrad occasionally had special swedish style dishes

they were all really scary

JM

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by Oerdin
[...]Norweigens weren't even seen as a seporate people until the end of the 19th century (up to that point they were either Danes or Swedes depending upon who you asked[...]

4 pages and nobody cared to point out that that is 1000% wrong (not just the spelling of the first word)?

Norway and Norwegians have been a separate country and people since at least the 9th century. Maybe you were confused by the fact that it was united with Denmark and Sweden between 1397 and 1905. No worries.

[Gangerolf]

Re: Why did a united Scandinavia not form?

Originally posted by Oerdin

Was it because the two royal families were to powerful and had to long of a history trying to dominate each other?

I think this is the main reason. This is definately why the Kalmar union failed anywayz.

And yep Scandinavian cuisine can be quite scary. (Especially certain fish dishes (soaked, dried, fermented, cured, etc).) But it usually doesn't taste too bad.

[Dinner]

Gangerolf, the point was Norweigens weren't ethnically or linguistically different. They were basically the same people and the creation of "Norweigen" was a great nationalist endever post 1905 or so I've been told. Supposedly the newly independent government tried to artificially create a sense of Norweigenness to prevent future reobsorption of Norway by Sweden or Denmark.

[Gangerolf]

There have always been 3 separate Scandinavian peoples. Norway isn't a 19th century invention...

But it is correct that there was a national/romantic renaissance thing going on since the mid 19th century and all the way up to the 1930s I guess and that few people put much emphasis on nationality before then. Just like in many other parts of Europe.

[RGBVideo]

I don't see the connection between your interpretation and my statement.

Have you considered visiting a doctor?

YOUR ARGUMENT WAS that since Sweden (nation X) eventually lost it's great power status because of one battle in a war, battle of Poltava (battle Y), it was never a great power anyway.

When we place Nazi Germany as nation X and Stalingrad as battle Y; it leads to Nazi Germany never being a great power anyway.

Sweden didn't lose the empire at Poltava, but it was the start of a long slipping slope that eventually led to the loss of Finland 100 years later.

You were in southern Poland before Poltava. You retreated all the way back to modern Sweden (ie. even retreated from Finland) after that.

[Maniac]

Germany still is a Great Power.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Gangerolf, the point was Norweigens weren't ethnically or linguistically different. They were basically the same people and the creation of "Norweigen" was a great nationalist endever post 1905 or so I've been told. Supposedly the newly independent government tried to artificially create a sense of Norweigenness to prevent future reobsorption of Norway by Sweden or Denmark.

BULL!

[Odin]

Originally posted by Maniac
Germany still is a Great Power.

Yeah, and I'm rich.

[Colonâ„¢]

Germany whenever it was somewhat united, has always been a pre-eminent European power, if not a world power. To pretend it was only a great power during Nazi-Germany is a bit silly.

[Gangerolf]

I'm not sure how powerful a united Scandinavia would be... Maybe it would make the Baltic sea a "mare nostrum"... Maybe even the North Atlantic as well. But then again it is surrounded by more powerful nations. Germany, Britain and Russia. Even Poland has more people than Scandinavia.

[Last Conformist]

Because we hate one another's guts.

[Gangerolf]

Killing baby Swedes is fun.

Well English and Scots "hate" each other. Same with e.g. Bavarians and "Fish Heads" in Germany. They still stick together.

At least everyone in Scandinavia is the same religion (Lutheran) so there is less chance that a united "Norden" would end up like Yugoslavia with genocide and stuff.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
Killing baby Swedes is fun.

Well English and Scots "hate" each other. Same with e.g. Bavarians and "Fish Heads" in Germany. They still stick together.

At least everyone in Scandinavia is the same religion (Lutheran) so there is less chance that a united "Norden" would end up like Yugoslavia with genocide and stuff.

With the exception of the Sami. I've seen 'Pathfinder'- we know what you lot were doing to entertain yourselves before Strindberg, Ibsen and Hans Christian Andersen came along- or shopping trips to the Metro Centre.

[Gangerolf]

They're Lutheran too. Well quite a few are members of the fundamentalist Christian Laestadian movement. Most are of course quite areligous, just like most normal people in Scandinavia.

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