American Arrogance Rooted in Christian Beliefs

[Bereta_Eder]

when i was young i had the wits to be a bouzouki for 4 quids and the only song that i could play was **** the rich and the ira (tax agency)

[Kidlicious]

I think *******s need a religion or political philosophy to do their crap, but you should blame the religion or the political philosophy, but the *******s.

[C0ckney]

paik, doesn't quite have the same ring to it as mine though does it.

[Bereta_Eder]

well of course it is forcefully an addaptation

[Bereta_Eder]

but it really is funny your little poem

[aneeshm]

First - give me the sources . I have never , and will never , advocate caste discrimination . I said that it was originally meant as a system of classification , and that it got perverted over time . I have no illusions of the horror of casteist discrimination , nor do I view it "rosily" , as you suggest . It is still , however , by no means a "defining feature" of Hinduism . The way it exists in the villages is horrible - but you accuse me of being one of the oppressors , thereby trying to discredit me . As I said , ad homimen . Go troll someone else - I am immune to this .

Now you need to add strawman to the list of fallacies you committed , by just saying that I defended the caste system . I did not - I stated that it was , originally , merely a system of classification , which later became stratified . And forget not that this stratification was fought by later reformers like the Adi Shankara ( who is considered one of the luminaries of Hinduism ) , Swami Vivekanand ( who told the Brahmins that the concept of purity they must aspire to was internal and not external ) , and Gandhji ( who called the Dalits the Hairjans , or the "People of God" ) .


Again - how many times have I to repeat that caste discrimination is now illegal , and that the majority of governmental jobs are reserved for the previously oppressed castes ? And by the way - higher castes enjoy no governmental protection .




As for Bali :

You have provided proof that Hinduism spread to Indonesia . I asked for proof that this expansion was violent . You have given none of that .

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
i must say this has to be the best threadjack on poly in a while. The original antiamierican troll has been diverted into a debate about Christianity and Hinduism.

At one point I feared it would become another capitalism vs. communism thread....

aneeshm, I do not doubt what you told me about your muslim friend, it is just that I made some experiences that are completely different from those you described. So obviously some muslims are more traditional (or fundamentalistic if you will) towards their own religion than others. I saw the difference quite strongly when meeting a guy from Kuwait and his wife when I visited Jordan, who were very much "modern" like we are, esp. in the way like they treated eachother, or how the woman behaved. That was totally different from the usual cliche that the women wear head scarfs and are all opressed there. Of course, I've seen others which indeed fit into that cliche, no doubt. But it is still interesting that some can accept modernity relatively easy, while others can't, and while another part may be somewhere in between.

Here in Germany you can see the same differences everyday - some of the many Turkish immigrants we have are more progressive than others, some may even support aggressive Muslim fundies while others simply don't care about them.

[Alexander's Horse]

US influence in the world is relatively benign and a force for good.

The Iraq thing was a bit of a blooper but everyone has their blindspots.

Imagine if the Soviet Union or China or Nazi Germany were the world hegemon right now.

[Bereta_Eder]

islam is basically a system of law.

islamism will hold back any society.


now moamethanism would have overtaken the US, many "whities" would go muslim if there was not the 11/9. it is simpler thatn the trinity of christanism. thats why the barbars had initially accepted the sect of the aryan untill they smartened up with contact with the civilized and accepted the triadity of the church

[Bereta_Eder]

AH! wwhich makes me think. maybe protestantism is actually a return of the barbarians back to their roots of simplicity. doesnt protestantism focus only at jesus? same with the sect of the aryans. christianity for the dummies if you will!!!
man i have to give my brains to science

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by aneeshm
First - give me the sources .

i've given you the links, now what more do you need?

I did not - I stated that it was , originally , merely a system of classification , which later became stratified . And forget not that this stratification was fought by later reformers like the Adi Shankara ( who is considered one of the luminaries of Hinduism ) , Swami Vivekanand ( who told the Brahmins that the concept of purity they must aspire to was internal and not external ) , and Gandhji ( who called the Dalits the Hairjans , or the "People of God" ) .

and yet despite all the fine things these 'luminaries' said the caste system is firmly in place and is a source of massive human rights abuses, how can this be!?!

Again - how many times have I to repeat that caste discrimination is now illegal , and that the majority of governmental jobs are reserved for the previously oppressed castes ? And by the way - higher castes enjoy no governmental protection .

bull****. the links i provided tell a very different story. they say that despite all the constitution says that there is massive discrimination and abuse based on the caste system, read them, if you want i can provide a lot of further reading.

the point here is that you have called everyone else barbarians, and yet you defend a religion which has at its heart a system which denies hundreds of millions of people the most basic of rights on a daily basis. so if we're barbarians, then what does that make you?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Verto
You aren't Christian; you're gay!

Ah, that's right -- I momentarily forgot that I'm gay. There goes my Christian belief.

[Bereta_Eder]

gays should adopt ancient hellenic religions. none of that judaic ascetic crap

[MrFun]

BUT JESUS ROCKS!!!!!!

[Bereta_Eder]

i thought only amadeus rocked