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  • Originally posted by molly bloom

    The first mention of Aryan gods occurs (as far as I can recall) in a treaty from Boghazkoi, which was then the capital of the Hittites- in Western Asia. Mitra, Indra, and Varuna are called upon to witness as deities, the document.

    Vedic hymns praise Indra as the 'purandara', the one who destroys forts, the forts, moreover, of the Dasas.

    Agni the firegod also assisted in weakening the walls of the forts of the 'dark-skinned' races- who scattered abroad, deserting their former strongholds and leaving their possessions behind.

    With literature like that, what is emphasized or deserves particular mention, is usually a clue as to what is new, or foreign- why mention the dark skins, if you are already familiar with them, or if you are of similar complexion ?

    In Christian Europe, for instance, Jews were made to wear distinguishing clothing or yellow patches, not presumably because they physically appeared notably different from non-Jews, but precisely because they didn't.
    Yes yes yes, and the "aryans" starting in India theory gets really silly when confronted with the entire study of linguistics. There is a mountain of evidence suggesting otherwise.

    Which is not to say that some of Ansheem's lengthy quote isn't true. It makes an immense amount of sense that the "Aryans" could well have taken advantage of the decline in the Harrapan civilization much like the Sea Peoples did to Egypt under similar circumstances. Unlike the Sea Peoples however the Aryans were moving into a vast decentralized cultural area rather than a temporarily distraught but highly centralized state. They probably had been living at the fringes of the Harrapan civilization and both peoples had a good deal of prior knowledge of one another, much as the Greeks did about the Minoans. The Aryans who are mentioned in the Hittite treaty were highly prized mercenaries who were paid to create a chariot corps for the Hittites. People in such positions have been known throughout history to take advantage by seizing the crown for themselves if given an opportunity.

    Other evidence suggests the sort of minority rule we've seen most recently in South Africa. With the ruling class itself a tiny proportion of the population you get a very rigid social structure not unlike say the caste system. There is still a surprising degree of color consciousness in India, and from what I hear it is considered better to be lighter skinned. It seems most likely that there was a hostile takeover that gave the Indo-European language speakers (ie the Aryans) a much greater say than their numbers would otherwise have allowed in the creation of a hybrid society. The process may have taken centuries, by which time the "Aryans" may have been indistinguishable from the people we know as the Indians.

    Oops, time to go. Have a nice weekend all.
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    • I hate you guys. I knew just enough to know I was pretty ignorant of the Harrupan cities. I caught a reference here and there and that was it. Now I'm going to have to go and read some stuff on it. Damn you.
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      • Originally posted by beingofone
        As to the question of his historical existence; Try reading some of the Nag Hammadi find as well as the recent translations of fragments from the Dead Sea scrolls that quote the standard text.
        There are at least two translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

        Besides, why do we need to go to these obscure documents for evidence? Why isn't there any in Roman records?
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        • Urban Ranger:

          There are at least two translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
          There will probably be many more.


          Besides, why do we need to go to these obscure documents for evidence? Why isn't there any in Roman records?

          I do not know how to answer these types of questions.
          Beingofone scratches his wooden head.
          I guess I`ll go with humor with a serious bent of sarcasm.

          Yes; it was a vast conspiracy by Christian fundies who hid the documents in Egypt and Palestine almost two thousand years ago and transmitted the signal through an novel encryption to present day fundie Christians that the time was ripe to spring their clever trap.

          Well done, steller job - you are hereby promoted from Ranger to Captain of all intelligence gathering for the antiChristian Star Forces in the galaxy.


          UR - I would hardly be in a position to teach you anything about computers as you are the expert in that field.
          You have made peace with the evil Wheredehekowi tribe-we demand you tell us if they are a tribe that is playing this scenario.
          We also agree not to crush you, if you teach us the tech of warp drive and mental telepathy and give 10 trinkets

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