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  • #16
    Originally posted by Odin
    What I worry about is that if China is still undemocratic when it becomes #1, the elite in the developing countries will see it as meaning that the Chinese-style oligarchy is better than western Democracy, erasing over 200 years of political advancement.
    The Chiense have done a much better job fighting postmodernism, eco-luddism and mysticism, however.

    Their oligarchy does resemble the philosopher-king government of Plato, perhaps democracy is not the best form of government when the other aspects of enlightenment haven't yet been achieved.
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    • #17
      The Roman world was eaten alive by a new religion quickly expanding all over the known world. And now again.
      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

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      • #18
        Christianity sucks for civilisation
        "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
        "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Smiley

          Their oligarchy does resemble the philosopher-king government of Plato
          Not really. To me they look more like more like the typical bickering, alliance-shifting, Machiavellian oligarchs that have occured throughout history. Plato's philospher kings were to have gained leadership by being the cream of the crop intelectually, ruling a meritocratic, though totalitarian, society. In single-party states you gain power by sucking up to party leaders and being ruthless machiavellians, not very meritocratic to me. In my eyes the only thing thety share is totalitarianism.



          Anyway, my ideal state is a mix of democracy and meritocracy, a kind of democratic Technocracy.

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          • #20
            Christianity sucks for civilisation

            Want to try Islam instead?
            I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

            Asher on molly bloom

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Datajack Franit



              Want to try Islam instead?
              No, secularism.

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              • #22
                I think it's just a perception thing, we know and hear too much. Every little news is being hyped as the apocalypse, add to that, that we like to sweeten the past.

                The Chiense have done a much better job fighting postmodernism, eco-luddism and mysticism, however.

                You mean like using grinded rhino or Syberian tiger balls to get a hard on? Yeah...sounds much better.
                China still has a long way to go and will face many problems before it's "there".
                Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                • #23
                  Remind me again where all the big computer and bio-tech companies are again? I think you'll find the "West" holds a vast majority of them.

                  I agree with alva. It's a perception thing rather than reality.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Odin


                    No, secularism.
                    "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                    "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Whaleboy
                      Christianity sucks for civilisation
                      like it or not christianity is one of the key foundations upon which western civilisation is built.
                      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by C0ckney


                        like it or not christianity is one of the key foundations upon which western civilisation is built.
                        it's been holding us back
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #27
                          arguable, but what i said is solid gold truth.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by C0ckney
                            arguable, but what i said is solid gold truth.
                            so?

                            foundation schmoundation...

                            you know what else is the foundation for human civilization?

                            worshipping fire...

                            worshipping the sun...

                            worshipping the stars...

                            IGNORANCE is the foundation for our civilization...
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #29
                              no sava, because if ignorance was the foundation, then you'd surely be running the show.
                              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by C0ckney
                                no sava, because if ignorance was the foundation, then you'd surely be running the show.
                                yes folks, he'll be here all week
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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