For the first time in my life, I dread to turn on the news... I know no matter what..

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Vesayen
*sigh* I just heard a report how in one of the settlements, they blew the shofar to call everyone into a synagouge... the soldiers came and carried them out.

If Abbas dosen't stop all terrorist acts against Israel in one year, I think carpet bombing the west bank and the gaza strip into sand would be apropriate.

of course I dont agree with this, though i understand where it is coming from.

[Ben Kenobi]

If Abbas doesn't stop, then there will be much bitterness among the Israelis over giving up land for a ephemeral peace.

I hope very much too, that the sacrifice made by the Jews will provoke the desired response from the Palestinians.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
If Abbas doesn't stop, then there will be much bitterness among the Israelis over giving up land for a ephemeral peace.

I hope very much too, that the sacrifice made by the Jews will provoke the desired response from the Palestinians.

short version

If Abbas takes the necessary steps(and the Pal polity supports him) , toward cooperation with Israel, and Hamas and IJ are disarmed, or terror is otherwise suppressed, then the next steps will be to negotiate a withdrawl from most of the West Bank about 8%, where most Israeli settlers live, will be annexed to Israel, but equivalent parts of pre-67 Israel will be transferred to the Pals as compensation. Some fairly complex solution will be instituted in Jerusalem, and palestinian refugees will recieve monetary compensation for giving up the right of return. There will be a secure transport route linking Gaza and the West Bank, and the security fence will probably be removed, at least in many places.

OTOH if terrorism continues, and Abbas is seen to be unserious, or ineffective in stopping it, Israel will likely withdraw from most the West Bank anyway. Unilaterally. However it will look very different from the above. Israel will probably withdraw TO the security fence, leaving over 15% of the West Bank in Israeli hands, which will be annexed. There will be no compensation in territory, no compensation to refugees, and no palestinian national rights in Jerusalem.

[Az]

From when i was in Israel it seemed a country full of wide open and stuningly beautiful land(in an arid way).

ROTF

"you're beautiful.... on the inside"


J/k, I love the desert.

[Edan]

Israel will probably withdraw TO the security fence, leaving over 15% of the West Bank in Israeli hands, which will be annexed.

My understanding is that only about 7% of the West Bank would be cut off by the current route of the security fence.

[Eli]

It's not finished yet.

[MOBIUS]

Best thing to happen for World peace this year!

Kick those parasites out!

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Az

From when i was in Israel it seemed a country full of wide open and stuningly beautiful land(in an arid way).

ROTF

"you're beautiful.... on the inside"


J/k, I love the desert.

And they also posses some of the best irrigation know-how on the planet. And i love the desert too, its such a spiritual place to hang out - and there was a whole bunch of it on the bus journey down from Tel Eviv to Elat in the south If it was good enough for moses.....

[Hueij]

If it was good enough for moses.....

You want all 40 years of it??

[Bereta_Eder]

mhvahla al el moisim.
devitious mo lihmeleh avalissah
halavahim sahal al halavih

[Bereta_Eder]

why was tolkien better

[Spiffor]

The disengagement is probably one of the best world news of this year. If it wasn't for all those plane crashes and terror attacks elsewhere, this time's news would be a fantastic enjoyment for me

[lord of the mark]

why tolkein was better than withdrawing from Gaza

1. Tolkien didnt divide the Jewish people, other than literary types and nerds

2. Tolkien had good poetry, instead of hackneyed songs.

3. the hardcover had nice colors, instead of orange

4. Tolkien had Elves. No elves in the disengagement

5. The occupation of Mordor has no projected end

6. In Tolkien, the lost king returns. Meanwhile we're still waiting.

7. When the Elves go to elvenhome, nobody bothers them about it.

[Starchild]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Jesus H Christ, a Jew doesnt even have the right to live in Jerusalem?

Why does anyone have a right to live anywhere?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
why tolkein was better than withdrawing from Gaza

1. Tolkien didnt divide the Jewish people, other than literary types and nerds

2. Tolkien had good poetry, instead of hackneyed songs.

3. the hardcover had nice colors, instead of orange

4. Tolkien had Elves. No elves in the disengagement

5. The occupation of Mordor has no projected end

6. In Tolkien, the lost king returns. Meanwhile we're still waiting.

7. When the Elves go to elvenhome, nobody bothers them about it.

nice we'd make good company!
at the movie theater at the scene at the city siege i said g'dammit we didnt have the elves in constantinople

you know of course btw that i refered to tolkien for my "made up" semetic language i used there.

nice