45% of Americans are Morons

[GePap]

Originally posted by Kidicious


There's evidence that it's a possibility, but I don't see any that it did actually happen.

And when have you actually looked? And where have you looked? And do you hasve the background to know what you are looking for?

I must confer with the general opinion that your arguements against evolution make less sense than those who at least have a beliefe system that provides an alternative answer.

Where do you think human beings came from?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I believe in creation.

You're a Christian commie, like Jon Miller?

Why do you say it's a cornerstone?

The theory of evolution is nothing more than dialectics. Dialectics understands that the everything changes, that everything that is came from something else, that incremental change can result in something entirely new, etc. The Theory of Evolution, especially punctuated equilibrium, is a dialectical understanding of the origins of modern species and the differentition of life.

[Dr Strangelove]

I believe in both. Evolution is just one aspect of Deus ex machina. Many creationists see evolution as demeaning to mankind as God's special creation. My feeling is that the very idea that we're part of the awsome complexity and diversity of the entire biome, even it's apparent end point is as actually elevating. I mean, I have difficulty just making a string of paper dolls come out right, but for God to give a little proto-matter a little shove and come up with us demonstrates some mad skills at organizing..... and it's flattering too.

[Jon Miller]

Monkspider was a Christian Commie

hasn't posted in a while..

JM

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Kidicious
I believe in creation.

You're a Christian commie, like Jon Miller?

I was always spiritual, but I've been a Christian for about a month now. I'm still not religious though.

Why do you say it's a cornerstone?

The theory of evolution is nothing more than dialectics. Dialectics understands that the everything changes, that everything that is came from something else, that incremental change can result in something entirely new, etc. The Theory of Evolution, especially punctuated equilibrium, is a dialectical understanding of the origins of modern species and the differentition of life.

Dialectic materialism is a cornerstone. I didn't think ToE had much to do with it (Marxism).

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm just more skeptical of the idea that man evolved from apes.

Humans did not evolved from apes. Where did you get that from, Creationists?

Humans and the great apes came from a common ancestor.

Originally posted by Kidicious
The idea seems much more incredible that the idea that it isn't true. Without 100% proof I can't make myself believe it.

Science does not prove things - and nothing other than facts in science is ever 100%.

It is amusing that you would use gravity as something science completely understands. Among the four basic forces gravity is the least understood. As a matte of fact, according to GR, gravity is not a force.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Humans did not evolved from apes. Where did you get that from, Creationists?

Humans and the great apes came from a common ancestor.

Pond scum?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kidicious
The hard part is believing that an intelligent, spiritual species evolving from an plain animal.

How do you know the great apes aren't spritual? Talked with them lately?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


How do you know the great apes aren't spritual? Talked with them lately?

I don't know, but we didn't evolve from them anyway.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Religion will always be the result of a loophole in human psychology resulting in brainwashing, especially of the naive.

Even Martin Gardner, who has spent most of his life fighting pseudoscience rubbish, believes in a god. His diety is "wholely other," which means it is completely unknownable to us. Furthermore, his diety is a transcendental clockmaker, as opposed to Christianity's interventionist one.

Logically, by Occam's Razor, such a diety is completely meaningless and should be cut out. Gardnet confesses his reason for such a reason is purely emotional, that he cannot accept the fact that there's nothing after death.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No, Kid seems to be taking a more post-modernist approach here, saying that at some point or another, we take something at faith for the begining of our belief systems.

Postmodernism - are you talking about the "sociology-ise of everything," making everything relative and cultural dependent?

This reminds me of a humourous prank pulled by a physicist. I read it in Martin Gardner's Did Adam and Eve have navals? If I remember it later I will dig it up and post it here.

[Kidlicious]

I'm not a relativist either. I don't condon ToE on the basic premises. I just have a strong spiritual belief that human beings were created by God which leads me to believe that we did not evolve from lower life forms. I could be wrong, and if I were shown proof that I was I would admit it. But like I said, all the proof that I've seen shows that it's possible that we evolved from lower life forms, not that we did.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm just more skeptical of the idea that man evolved from apes. The idea seems much more incredible that the idea that it isn't true.

So the idea that man is the result of millions of years of slow incremental change in species is incredible, but you can accept that a magical, omnipotent being poofed the universe/mankind into existence? Perhaps I'm having trouble with your definition of "incredible."

At least we've empirically observed evolution occuring in the world. Same can't be said for the above magical entity.

Without 100% proof I can't make myself believe it. I don't think of it as faith, but more of an innate idea.

What has 100% proof in this world? Nothing I know of. But the evidence for evolution IS overwhelming. I sincerely doubt you even know much about it (read a book on it?), but you just reject it because it doesn't sound right to you. If you can't see why others deem that stupid, then that's your problem.

As I said before, there isn't much difference between willful ignorance and stupidity.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I just have a strong spiritual belief that human beings were created by God which leads me to believe that we did not evolve from lower life forms.

Logical fallacy 101. How do you know ToE wasn't HOW this god created human beings? That's what millions of Christians believe. It's called theistic evolution.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


What has 100% proof in this world?

my pwnage!