45% of Americans are Morons

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by MosesPresley
Koko the ape, the one they taught to speak in sign language, signed that it believed in an afterlife of sorts. I'm going to look for a link. It has been a long time since I read that.

I can't find a link to the exact story that I read, but I did find this which somewhat corroborates what I said.

"She laughs at her own jokes and those of others. She cries when hurt or left alone, screams when frightened or angered. She talks about her feelings, using words like 'happy', 'sad', 'afraid', 'enjoy', 'eager', 'frustrate', 'mad' and, quite frequently, 'love'. She grieves for those she has lost- a favourite cat who has died, a friend who has gone away. She can talk about what happens when one dies, but she becomes fidgety and uncomfortable when asked to discuss her own death or the death of her companions. She displays a wonderful gentleness with kittens and other small animals. She has even expressed empathy for others seen only in pictures."

http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/patterson01.htm

She's not so much aware of an afterlife as she is aware of the finality of death.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Kidicious
That's all I have to say. People here like to complain about religion, saying that religious people don't listen to questions, but they themselves do the very same thing. You guys call people names and make people feel uncomfortable when they question your beliefs on things that you can't prove. What a bunch of hypocrates.

I've never been likened to a Greek philosopher before, I take it as a compliment

Religion will always be the result of a loophole in human psychology resulting in brainwashing, especially of the naive. I hold no emotional attachment to any of these theories, I have just seen so much evidence for evolution that there is no argument any more. You may as well argue about the Earth being flat.

[Provost Harrison]

I am a scientist but it is certainly not a belief, it does provide you with a fantastic set of tools for analysing the world around you. Religious types try until they are blue in the face to get people to think it is an equivalent system to theirs. For the logic religion provides, they may as well be still indulging in live human sacrifices...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I am a scientist but it is certainly not a belief, it does provide you with a fantastic set of tools for analysing the world around you. Religious types try until they are blue in the face to get people to think it is an equivalent system to theirs.

[Mr. Harley]

Kid - I'll post later. I just saw a doctor - some moles had to come off - and am going to sleep. I'm not ignoring your last point, I'll get to that tonight. Thanks for listening to the post, mostly. I'll show you more data on that to convince you later.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kidicious


That's not hard for me to believe. The hard part is believing that an intelligent, spiritual species evolving from an plain animal.

Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, Pot.

[Japher]

I'll show you more data on that to convince you later

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kidicious
That's not hard for me to believe. The hard part is believing that an intelligent, spiritual species evolving from an plain animal.

Why is that so hard to believe? The alternatives to humanity evoloving from other animals is that humanity always existed in it's present form or that humanity was created. There is a third "alterntiave" which only sets the previous question aside, and does not answer it, which is that we are not native to Earth. Given the genetic evidence and the fact that several species of microbes depend upon humans to complete their life cycles, we can discount the latter. The first is obviously malarkey, since that would mean that humans would be found in the ancient fossil record, as well as being able to survive planetary impacts, snowball Earth events, etc. That leaves creation as the only possible alternative to evolution. There is no evidence to show creation, whether by extra-terrastrial beings or divine ones.

The fossil record, on the other hand, shows a clear "progression" of species, from rodent to primate, from simple primates to man-ape, the split between man and ape, the evolution of man from one homo species to the next.

And please describe what you mean by spiritual.

Also, I would note that one of the cornerstones of Marxist theory is the Theory of Evolution.

edit: fixed typo

[Az]

here is a third "alterntiave" which only sets the previous question aside, and does answer it, which is that we are not native to Earth.

Doesn't answer it, just moves the question to a different planet.

[chequita guevara]

That's what I meant. Typo.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
That's not hard for me to believe. The hard part is believing that an intelligent, spiritual species evolving from an plain animal.

Arguing with you, I'm doubting that an intelligent species did evolve at all.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Arguing with you, I'm doubting that an intelligent species did evolve at all.

I know, I expect him to start praising Lysenko any post now.

[chequita guevara]

Even Lysenko believed in the ToE. He just didn't understand it.

[Kuciwalker]

I imagine the same relationship exists between Kid and communism.

[chequita guevara]

So, when are you gonna become a commie so you can completely rule, Kuci?