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I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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Is it true?I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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Originally posted by Datajack Franit
The problems begin when you have one of these groups supporting, actively or not, terrorism acts against others.
Like British born Protestants in Northern Ireland (the descendants of immigrants) against British born Catholics in Northern Ireland.
People have been complaining about immigrants ever since immigration and emigration existed. Good grief, there were riots against Flemish weavers in England in the Middle Ages.
Cort HausQ : Who said anything about ignoring contibutions of immigrants?
These kind of people perhaps:
the same paper that was so keen on a certain Herr Hitler before WWII and so keen on Oswald MosleyDaily Mail
Mosley attracted members from other right-wing groups such as the British Fascisti, National Fascists and the Imperial Fascist League. By 1934 the BUF had 40,000 members and was able to establish its own drinking clubs and football teams. The BUF also gained the support of Lord Rothermere and the Daily Mail.
and which did so much to label the emigrant Irish population of Great Britain as donkey-jacketed slope browed terrorists whenever the I.R.A. bombed Great Britain.
It is perhaps no surprise that when, last month, Tony Blair apologised on behalf of the British people to the Guildford Four, the Daily Mail’s coverage was relentlessly negative and spiteful. The general tone of the coverage in the Mail was that the apology was a betrayal.
Cort Hausa statement of our secular, open, democratic, rational, scientific, free and equal values.
Like state supported faith based schools teaching creationism in science classes and separate religious educational establishments in Northern Ireland ?
The problems arise when any group advocates violence as a means for effecting political change, immigrant or not.
The suicide bombers inLondon weren't immigrants but second generation, mostly- like me.
The shoe bomber Richard Reid was brought up in South London. His fellow conspirator Sajid Badat was born in Britain and educated at the prestigious Crypt Grammar School in Gloucester. Ahmed Omar Sheikh, convicted in Pakistan of the murder of the American journalist Daniel Pearl, lived in East London and was educated at the London School of Economics. Asif Hanif and Omar Sharif, the two Britons who carried out a suicide bombing mission in Israel, became friends at university. The most detailed study yet of al- Qaeda supporters shows that the majority are middle-class with good jobs. Most are college-educated, usually in the West. Fewer than one in ten have been to religious school.
Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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So someone will finally agree that the popular sentence "terrorism comes out of poverty" is bull****?The suicide bombers inLondon weren't immigrants but second generation, mostly- like me.I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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I think so.Originally posted by Datajack Franit
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Originally posted by Datajack Franit
So someone will finally agree that the popular sentence "terrorism comes out of poverty" is bull****?
I'd say that poverty or impoverished communities make a fertile growth medium for it, but don't provide a rationale for it.
Far right terror groupings attract all sorts of support- especially well-heeled middle class Poujade-ist types, but far right foot soldiers are frequently poor and/or ill-educated.
A sense of or belief in disenfranchisement can certainly be twisted into a justification for acts of violence- the Troubles in Northern Ireland in 1969 grew out of disenfranchised Catholics demonstrating peacefully and being opposed violently by Protestants (especially working class Protestants) fearful for their jobs and privileged positions.
Similarly the British far right uses and used horror stories of 'waves of immigration' and 'immigrants taking our jobs'- and similar scare tactics are used on the mainland of Europe.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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molly molly molly.
Like state supported faith based schools teaching creationism in science classes and separate religious educational establishments in Northern Ireland ?
The fact that your system isn't perfect yet doesn't mean that these stupidities should be accepted as normal and encouraged.
I am an immigrant. Datajack is an immigrant. We don't hate people coming from other places, since we came from other places. What we do think is that people should try to behave like Romans in Rome. This comes from my position as a liberal and supporter of personal freedoms - I despise cultures that hate personal freedoms with a passion.Comment
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Originally posted by Az
molly molly molly.
The fact that your system isn't perfect yet doesn't mean that these stupidities should be accepted as normal and encouraged.
Don't tell me that- I'm not arguing for them- the state which Cort Haus believes apparently espouses
is supporting them:secular, open, democratic, rational, scientific, free and equal values.
Mr Blair, said to be the most religious Prime Minister since Gladstone, has backed the millionaire car dealer Sir Peter Vardy in his attempt to take over seven comprehensives and turn them into Christian Academies promoting Old Testament views of the world's creation. This includes the claim that it was made in six days, 10,000 years ago. Two of Sir Peter's schools are open already, in Gateshead and Middlesbrough, and a third is under construction in Doncaster.
Mr Blair, a committed Christian, has presided over an extraordinary growth in the number of faith schools, with 80 new Church of England secondaries now running or in the pipeline. He personally opened King's Academy in Middlesbrough, run by Sir Peter, an Evangelical Christian. When Emmanuel College in Gateshead, the first Vardy school, came under attack for teaching creationism, Mr Blair sent Andrew Adonis, one of his most senior policy advisers, to smooth the issue over.
Nigel McQuoid, principal at King's Academy and director of schools at the newly created Emmanuel Schools Foundation (covering all the Vardy colleges), has said: "Clearly, schools are required to teach evolutionary theory ... Clearly, also, schools should teach the creation theory as literally depicted in Genesis. Ultimately, both creation and evolution are faith positions."
Martin Rogers from the Education Network, an education think-tank, said there was nothing wrong with the principle of academies, and that large investment in struggling schools should be applauded. But the lack of accountability was a big concern. "For a very small sum of money ... you can peddle the most appalling garbage," he said.
and has supported tacitly or otherwise separate sate supported educational establishments in Northern Ireland for the Catholic and Protestant communities.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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The values I proposed are what I believe our culture originally stands for - this is what the Enlightenment was all about and the basis for western democracy.
The fact that western governments do not always live up to these ideals is no proof of the bankruptcy of the ideals, just failings of governments.
There was a strong call for a politics which asserted these core western values anyway - even without terrorism to focus our minds. Science and Reason have lost much of the respect they deserve, and such examples as creationism are there to be opposed.
Hence the need for debate on what our values are. I hope we in the West can agree that Islamofascism is not compatible with our values, or does Molly disagree?Comment
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Amongst others that all Muslims are not alike; that all Muslim immigrants do not espouse the values of the suicide bombers; that media denigration of immigrants is a constant and despicable element of British culture and political life; that violence can spring from any source, political, secular, sectarian, immigrant or homegrown.Attached FilesVive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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True, but IF there is the will of exposing this. I hardly call the british, french, dutch-muslim societies able to stand against the brutalities of fundamentalism, let alone stop SUPPORTING it, which is the basics of the problems of muslim society nowadays.Amongst others that all Muslims are not alike; that all Muslim immigrants do not espouse the values of the suicide bombers; that media denigration of immigrants is a constant and despicable element of British culture and political life; that violence can spring from any source, political, secular, sectarian, immigrant or homegrown.
I repeat myself, as Az pointed out I am an immigrant and there are many more in any other country of the world but one thing is becoming part of a society, another is becoming a foreigner in your own country in the moment you are surrounded by persons that have no intention of integrate themselves. European cities are becoming decade after decade ghettos where muslim community re-create their own islamic town, and excuse me but this really pisses me off.I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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Originally posted by Cort Haus
I hope we in the West can agree that Islamofascism is not compatible with our values, or does Molly disagree?
Evidently I'm a keen supporter of militant sectarian movements both west and east. Fits in easily with my oft-expressed atheism.
As for Enlightenment values- there were quite a lot of different values and ideals espoused in the Enlightenment as it manifested itself in different countries, among them the 'obvious' superiority of Western Christian culture and the beginnings of scientific racism. Not to mention mercantilism and the 'innate' inferiority of black Africans.
It's easy to pick and choose the best strands of any movement, religion or era and forget the other unpleasantnesses that came with them.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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Am I the only one that thinks that Telegraph article is utter cack?Comment
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